Hang on a sec, mate. Mel's coming in. Hi. What's up, man? They're at their outside the on the from the buzzer thing, From the thing that I got?
Gavin Tye:The beaver? Is that what you're talking about? I just need sandpaper on
Mitchell Davis:the wall.
Gavin Tye:I don't know, hon.
Mitchell Davis:Did you get fine sandpaper?
Gavin Tye:No. I just got the beaver thing. I didn't know you wanna find sandpaper. Was just gonna wait the beaver. We can still use the beaver, but you just have to wait till after.
Gavin Tye:Alright. Now
Mitchell Davis:you're in trouble, mate.
Gavin Tye:No. I don't think so.
Mitchell Davis:Hasn't gone well. I'll leave all this in. It wasn't a frustrate it was
Gavin Tye:a was a frustrated have you started? Have you started? Yeah. Do that.
Mitchell Davis:Put that at the end. Little teaser. Life. Yeah. Gavin and Mel deal with conflict.
Mitchell Davis:That could be a bonus. Yep. Oh, cool. Alright, mate. Let's do it.
Mitchell Davis:Hey. I'm Mitchell Davis, a Laravel developer.
Gavin Tye:Hey. I'm Gavin Ty, a sales and marketing person, cofounder. I thought I'd join you with your hat today, Mitch. You keep wearing your hat backwards.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. I like it.
Gavin Tye:I'm I'm here. Jeez. I look silly.
Mitchell Davis:You don't you I don't know. I'll have to
Gavin Tye:get used to it. I'll leave it on.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. We could be the the backwards hat crew. I like it. This is
Gavin Tye:fantastic. The cofounders of Six Sides. We are. Episode seven.
Mitchell Davis:For those that don't know what's going on, Gavin has surprised me during our intro. He's not a big fan of doing these intros, so he keeps messing with me. But this one, he's put on a backwards hat like I'm trying to do every episode. I'm trying to rock the backwards hat. Surprised me with it during the intro.
Mitchell Davis:You can see that on YouTube, which we are putting all these episodes up on YouTube for you to check out. Mate, you look good. Just I think this is this is your new look, I think.
Gavin Tye:Thanks. Might drive up this quiff of the hair coming up front.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. You got the quiff.
Gavin Tye:You wouldn't know. What's really interesting is I've got four plastic notches on my hat, and you've got two. You must have an enormous head.
Mitchell Davis:I must. We still haven't met up in person, so you haven't seen me. I'm a I'm a freak show. I don't know. But, yeah, I It varies hat to hat, to be honest with you.
Mitchell Davis:There are some hats where, yes, I have a lot of like this. I've had to extend this hat out, actually. I don't know if maybe I am. My head is getting fatter. I'm not sure.
Mitchell Davis:But, yeah, there are there are some other hats, though, where I reckon I'm rocking a three notch, maybe a four. A three notch. Yeah. So we'll look. We'll see.
Mitchell Davis:When we when we catch up in person, we can compare. Head sides. Head sides. Anyway, look. To finish off this, crazy intro, we are building 6sides.co for now.
Mitchell Davis:We'll talk about that in a moment. And it is an events platform that helps you build a stronger community through events. And this show, Gavin, is our b to b SaaS journey. How are you going, mate?
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Well, excellent. Excellent. It's I went through. I've been hesitant to listen to the episodes.
Gavin Tye:You know, I just got other things on. I prefer to listen to some other ones.
Mitchell Davis:Killing me with the hat.
Mitchell Davis:This is so funny.
Gavin Tye:It's not I was not saying
Mitchell Davis:I like it. Just you're killing me.
Gavin Tye:And so I went back and listened to episode two today about some of the opportunities that we were chasing and some of the lessons. So it's only five weeks ago, and so much has changed since then. And, yeah, it's really it's refreshed my memory. There was one about, like, Blaze. What's the one about redundancy, the the website that Blaze.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Backblaze, which I haven't done, which I'll follow-up, but then I've got the Mac Mini. Yeah. It's a lot of we're knocking at some stuff even though it's outside not our side hustle, but not in my main priority. But
Mitchell Davis:Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Mate, big news this week.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. We got a lot. Alright. You you lead with that. How what happened this week?
Mitchell Davis:Some big exciting news.
Gavin Tye:So we got verbal agreements on two clients today this week. So, yeah, it's fantastic.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. And there's a lot exciting. Our first two.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yep. And it's been fantastic. I think one of the other one of the episodes we talked about how the sales how the meeting went really well, and we really connected with them. And we had a meeting with the two ladies this week, and they were they were so excited.
Gavin Tye:They're like, we are ready to go. We wanna work with you. We and it was it was fantastic.
Mitchell Davis:You know? And they were really keen on being early adopters as well. They they fancied themselves as, yep. We're, you know, we're excited by new stuff, and we wanna be involved while you're, you know, on, like, ground floor type stuff. Mhmm.
Mitchell Davis:And that was awesome. That's perfect for us, especially right now.
Gavin Tye:Yep. So it was embarrassed to say, look, I care about this stuff so much. I got a bit of a tear afterwards. And you were Yeah. I know you were laughing after.
Gavin Tye:You're like, gee,
Mitchell Davis:what's going
Gavin Tye:on here?
Mitchell Davis:But it's since told a few people that I thought that was very sweet. At first, I thought
Gavin Tye:Don't say sweet, mate.
Mitchell Davis:Come on. That's alright. It's it's true, though, because it's like this this type of thing. Yes. Obviously, it was a significant moment for me as well.
Mitchell Davis:Doesn't make me tear up. Seeing you who is normally fairly cool, calm, collected, you know, and you don't get too like, I don't know. We we're different personalities. It was very interesting to see you, like, oh, this is what affects you. You know?
Mitchell Davis:It's like getting a deal, and it's probably not even just that. It's like knowing that, okay, we're gonna have a positive impact on their events. You know? Yeah. 100%.
Mitchell Davis:So their communities. And so, yeah, so I did. I I've since told, my family, about that and that it was like, ah, that makes me feel like this is not only have you been awesome as a cofounder so far, but things like that is like, oh, this was the right choice. You know? Like, you really care about this stuff.
Mitchell Davis:So it's fantastic.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Intra yeah. It's well, if you watch the outtakes of this later on at the end, me and my wife having somewhat of a conflict, I told her about it, and she just laughed at me, told me I was an idiot. She knows what it
Mitchell Davis:Well, we all we all pull different things out of it. So Yeah.
Gavin Tye:So the next thing is here is, like, this has come a little bit quicker. Well, one, there's some it's excellent. It's great. It's forced us to speed up the process of the business. Right?
Gavin Tye:And we need to work on our invoicing, which was we'll do this afternoon and, get that in place because, yeah, we kicked off, built the got the bank account all finalized this week, got Stripe all set up, which we'll talk about in a second. Yeah. Yeah. It's great. And the challenge we have now is how do we turn that one those two wins into five wins, how do we turn them into other wins, which is if we can solve that, then we're well on the way to exponential growth over time.
Gavin Tye:Right?
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. We we worked through a lot. So we had some challenges with the bank account, which was annoying, but it's not like they didn't wanna give us an account or anything. It was just they needed some documents or something for one of the, like, businesses that, you know, Gavin and I had sort of coming to the table with to own this new business. And so that was just annoying because I wasn't really clear what they were doing and what they needed.
Mitchell Davis:But, anyway, eventually, we got that sorted, and then we're in the middle at the moment of going through and figuring out terms and conditions and trying to do that the most financially efficient way possible at the moment to try to not spend crazy amounts on, you know, on lawyer fees and stuff before we're even pre revenue.
Gavin Tye:Well, I had a session with a friend of mine who's starting his own business he's starting his own software company as well, Roman Kalakov from Wreck it. He's a c like a CPA or an, like, a an accountant. So we actually traded time with each other this week. I got him to show me how he set it up and what he recommends with between HubSpot, Stripe, and Xero. Yep.
Gavin Tye:And then I then on the inverse, we spent half an hour. I showed him how to set up Apollo and what I would do with Apollo. And so it's it's it was actually good it was a good lesson because, you know, we don't always have to pay someone to do something. We can trade our time for other people. So yeah.
Gavin Tye:And, you know, that accounting part of the issue was sending those forms into the bank is I just see some of that stuff, and I get overwhelmed. It's not my strong suit. But he just goes, yep. I'll fix it for you, and he fixed he actually fixed that issue for us once we got clarity from the bank. But Amazing.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. It's yeah. And I recorded it for you to have a look at, Mitch, so we can actually set it up and have a look at it in HubSpot. So Cool. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:It was good. So we got that set up. We'll and we'll that'll set us up how to set up our terms of service and all that kind of stuff.
Mitchell Davis:So Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. Okay. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Well, great. And then I set up the Stripe account and Xero, which we use to do our bookkeeping and stuff and invoicing from Xero into Stripe so people can pay. And that was all fairly smooth getting those set up and just had to provide, like, director details and all that sort of thing to Stripe. But their onboarding was awesome. And I actually I I was hoping you were free to hop on a call, but, I ended up just taking some screenshots of Stripe's onboarding, which I think they've improved recently because I I set up an account maybe at the start of the year.
Mitchell Davis:I don't remember it looking like this. So Yeah. It was great. I took a bunch of screenshots as I was going through the onboarding because you basically select, like, what features you're looking for, like, how you wanna charge people. Are you doing subscriptions, are you collecting tax, all this sort of stuff.
Mitchell Davis:And it had this awesome, like, floating card here sitting on the right, the features on the left, this floating card on the right, and basically as you, like, checked off different features, it would update the card. It got me thinking about for the us setting up the mobile apps for our our customers. Just thinking through like, oh, there's some really cool interfaces. Like, you and I have talked about I think we talked last week, was it maybe about the having almost like a simulation of the Yeah. Mobile app inside the, website as you're doing onboarding?
Mitchell Davis:It was it was inspiring. So it wasn't like, oh my god. This is the world's best thing ever. It wasn't like that, but it was just really cool to see, like, oh, there's other people are already doing this type of thing in this space. There's some really good onboarding experiences.
Mitchell Davis:It was
Gavin Tye:great too. Interesting interesting. Right? I think when a a friend of mine set a challenge a couple of years ago, he said if you do ever build a software business, he goes, remember when we worked for this other company, we were such a small team at about 20. Once it got above twenty, twenty five, it started breaking out and you went into groups.
Gavin Tye:But with a sub 20, you could maintain those relationships more one on one. Yep. And he said, oh, like, I he goes, I challenge if you start a business to try not to grow above 15 people. Right? Right.
Gavin Tye:And so to do that, the better you onboard and the better that you have a great experience and the better that you collect the data is the less people you're gonna have to do to supplement the poor experience. Right? Or or to account. So that's come up in this onboarding for we've been talking to some some potential people. We're we're waiting on another one or two people Yeah.
Gavin Tye:To come back to us. On that, Mitch, I have some bad news. The conference that with Zoe was at is not gonna happen this year. I spoke to her just before. Was hoping I was gonna get another answer, but they've had too many people change.
Gavin Tye:And that's the sometimes you can do everything right in a sale, and it's just circumstances beyond your control influence. And that's why if you're only ever chasing one or two, the likelihood of that impacting you is high. But if you're chasing 10 to 20, it does not matter if one or two fall out. Right? So, yeah, that's okay if we
Mitchell Davis:move on.
Gavin Tye:Head start.
Mitchell Davis:Proven that out because at the start of the year, when you and I were just kinda getting started, there was an event that we were kind of chasing. And for a variety of reasons, it didn't end up going through. And it hit me pretty hard because I was I was pretty hopeful, that we would get that one. It sounded like all the signs, everything was going in the right direction, but didn't work out. And, yeah, it totally it bummed me out pretty hard.
Mitchell Davis:So with this news now, like, that's unfortunate, and you and I have put quite a bit of work into getting this particular event up and running, but so be it. You know? It is what it is.
Mitchell Davis:It is what
Gavin Tye:it is. Yep. And it's just it's just the nature of it, but there's as long as you can learn from there, like I spoke to Zoe today, and she said, I'll still be on your client advocate board. And she goes, I don't know where I'll end up, but I love what you're doing, and I've recommended you for next year. It that doesn't mean anything because she doesn't have influence.
Gavin Tye:But We we played the best hand that we could have played. And sometimes it's poker. You just lose on the on the other side. There's nothing you can do about it, but you move on. So yep.
Mitchell Davis:That's right. Onwards and upwards. So,
Gavin Tye:yeah, the the we were talking to some other of the potential opportunities. Sorry to circle back, and we're trying to think about ways to make it easier for them when we do onboard. So we'll end up. I've been using custom GPTs in my business as sales market fit, I'm actually building an agent at like a more detailed agent. But I have been using custom GPTs or building them.
Gavin Tye:And so we're going to design a bit of a custom GPT to help with messaging. So the event organizers can go out and try to cement the value of six sites in their messaging to increase interest and potential clients or sponsors or sorry, sponsors or attendees or speakers to come and see the value that they'll get. So
Mitchell Davis:Exactly. And and the idea, right, is that that messaging will be tailored to the voice of the conference or the event. Right? So it's not just our copy of, okay, this is why, you know, the app is gonna make a better experience for you. It's it's the event's voice as to, you know, the specifics of their community and what they might be valuing and things like that.
Mitchell Davis:So this is kind of a helpful feature for getting that messaging out and and having it resonate. So, yeah, that's how far off that do you think you are? Not I'm not about as far
Mitchell Davis:as you
Gavin Tye:can be because I haven't
Mitchell Davis:even looked at it yet. But that's an idea. It won't take
Gavin Tye:me too long. It won't take me too oh, we have to update the feature list. So we use the feature list as the backbone. At the moment, there is some future stuff in there, so we can't use the feature list. So we have to actually I'll put that on a topic to do, like, a to do list next week because we don't wanna overpromise.
Gavin Tye:As soon as we overpromise and and overshoot, that's just gonna cause problems for the event organizer, which is not what we want.
Mitchell Davis:So Absolutely. That's a bad idea.
Gavin Tye:Alright. Mate, your big news that you've been waiting for to talk about you I've never seen you this excited.
Mitchell Davis:Oh, your big news, mate? We got the.com.
Gavin Tye:So we
Mitchell Davis:purchased 6sides.com about ten minutes before we started recording. And do you care about saying how much it was? It's like
Gavin Tye:I don't care.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Doesn't matter. So it ended up being about $5, which is the most expensive domain I've ever purchased.
Gavin Tye:3,000 US. 3 thousand US. Right?
Mitchell Davis:3,000 US. Yeah. That's right. And I had pushed for this with Gavin because, like, for SalesMarketFit, you use .co, Sales Market Fit Co. And we got that originally, 6Sides.co was our domain after we pivoted from Event Kit.
Mitchell Davis:We've had more names than than a phone book, it feels like. Anyway, after we pivoted from Event Kit, we knew we needed another name because Event Kit was taken. Then we saw 6sides.com was available, but it was expensive to buy. It wasn't just at the, like, $20 a year or whatever. Someone already had it.
Mitchell Davis:But they weren't using it. It was up for sale on these, like, auction type sites. And we saw that .co was available, and Gavin convinced me, okay, let's just do this. It's something to get started with. We can always look at the.com later, which I agree with.
Mitchell Davis:But what has changed is now, like, getting some of these verbal yeses, It does add some revenue into the business. We we're yet to charge for any of those, but things are looking pretty good, you know, things are going in the right direction certainly. And the other factor is that, we are thinking about how we will build out one app, and just get one app into the marketplace on the App Store, Play Store that would then serve all of our future events that we have on there as opposed to how it worked for LariCon Australia last year where we just had a LariCon Australia app that was in the App Store and Play Store. And why this ties into the domain is that I'm thinking, well, if at some point we wanted to buy the .com, I would rather do it before we roll out a mobile app or multiple mobile apps for, you know, individual events if it takes us a bit longer to kind of consolidate everything into one app. Yep.
Mitchell Davis:I don't wanna be dealing with, like, someone's app at a conference doesn't load properly because it's trying to talk to a now old domain name. You know?
Gavin Tye:So talk talk to me about how that, what is that implicate for people who don't know? Because I don't know what that means.
Mitchell Davis:So, basically, we already have this at the moment. So we have in the the LariCon app is a perfect example. So the LariCon app hard coded into the logic of the app, it's pointing to eventkit.dev, which is the domain that I set up for the the system way back when. Right? Now you can change that, but to change it, you have to release an update to the app.
Mitchell Davis:So, the idea would be that we will roll out an update for that app, but also for, like, any future apps that we're doing. They need to talk to where our infrastructure is hosted and is available. And Right. That would now be you know, once this all goes through, that would now be on the.com and not on .co or on eventkit.dev. So so if we go and make changes to the domain name, then that will mean that we would need to roll out an app update at some point in the future to get people that have that old now older version of the app talking to our old domain name and old infrastructure, get them pointed across to the right one.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. So Okay. We are doing some things. There's only one call that the app makes, which is effectively hard coded. After that, that call that it makes to say, hey.
Mitchell Davis:I'm, you know, I'm an attendee at LaraCon Australia. Give me what I need to know to then run the this app. At that point, we can tell that app, hey. Go and talk to us over here. We're now available over here on .com.
Mitchell Davis:We can do that, but it's just that very first call. The app needs to know somewhere, you know, who it should talk to to get more info about this event or etcetera.
Gavin Tye:So on one or two apps out there, it's not that hard. But if you got 10 and you get it wrong, it's gonna cause issues and yeah. Right. Okay.
Mitchell Davis:And the thing I really wanna do avoid is, like, if you've got an attendee, you know the idea is that, hopefully, in time, we will be having events every week, you know, or every day. There will never be a good time probably in an ideal world if we're doing well. There's never gonna be a good time to roll out a change like that where someone potentially downloaded the app for a conference two weeks ago. They haven't opened it. They haven't done anything with it yet.
Mitchell Davis:They rock up to the event, and then now it doesn't work, and they've got a really bad experience. So Yeah. Okay. That's why I kind of pushed to let's just do this now. Bite the bullet.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. You know, it's it was only 5,000 as opposed to 20,000 or 50,000 where it's like, okay. This is not doable right now. That's crazy. So felt right.
Gavin Tye:I was thinking about it the other day because I'm just thinking about it from the like, the conference organizer. Like, there's maybe one or two people there, but I didn't really think too much about it. There is there could be hundreds or thousands of attendees. Like, there is
Mitchell Davis:Yes.
Gavin Tye:For each event, there could be there is definitely a few hundred, but there could be a couple thousand. Right?
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. On the
Gavin Tye:yeah. Okay.
Mitchell Davis:We have to make sure we're giving them a good experience and that the app, you know, isn't, hey. We've actually updated out. Like, it doesn't pop up with a message when they first open it. Hey. You need to go download a new version.
Mitchell Davis:It's like, this is just bad. So Yeah. Gotcha. Really wanted to get that all correct, and that to me was worth the investment of this this $5 up front. You know?
Gavin Tye:Gotcha. And, yeah, because I think we haven't got there yet because our functionality doesn't lend it to it. Right? We're doing single apps because that's just currently where it's at, but we wanna help build a community or help bring the community together and then help build it through further events if we can. And having them download separate apps is just, it's it's gonna be effort prohibitive.
Gavin Tye:Right? Whatever that's under it's gonna be it's not gonna work. So we gotta Yeah. Reduce the amount of effort required, to do that.
Mitchell Davis:That and, like, by having one app where all of our events go into, then you only download it once ideally. And we know, like, people will probably delete the app as well after a conference if they don't need it anymore. Right? But if we can try and keep them in the ecosystem with just one app, that's way better than, yeah, having to download an app for this event and then another one for over here and we lose track of who you are and you gotta keep logging in with all, like, ticket codes and stuff. We're just we're trying to think through how can we make that easier.
Mitchell Davis:And we we made some good progress this week. Like, we had that we had a call to kind of plan through how some of that might work. And I'm I'm excited to start working on some of that to try and figure out, okay, is that gonna be doable for any of the events that we have this year? Yep. Can we get that done in in time?
Mitchell Davis:I mean, currently, these these two events that we've got the verbal yes on are quite late in the year. So we've got some time between now and then, but, yeah, it would be great to to just know, okay. This is exactly how it works moving forward. And then Yep. Because it we have had some questions from some of the other potential events that we're talking to that have asked, like, is this going to be an app just for us, or is this a a shared app, six sides app?
Mitchell Davis:And we've kinda had to go back to them and say, right now, it's kinda both. Yeah. Yeah. So we I'd love to just have one answer.
Gavin Tye:Yep. Yeah. Okay. What else are you working on this week, mate, or next week? I think we're might
Mitchell Davis:be a
Gavin Tye:short episode this this That's a good question.
Mitchell Davis:What am I working on? So I think we will largely need to focus now on the, like, the legal stuff, getting the terms and conditions sorted. We've got the bank account. We've got Stripe and Xero. We need to get into HubSpot, and I did have a question for you as well on tracking deals there.
Mitchell Davis:But, yeah, I think just getting our ducks in a row now so that we can move quickly on any other verbal yeses and turn them into actually signed yeses. Yep. So let me ask then about, HubSpot. So you asked me the other day how much did we say we were going to charge someone for an event that they've said yes to. And I was curious, are you using HubSpot's deal tracker thing?
Mitchell Davis:You still using that to
Gavin Tye:Yeah. I'm sporadic with it because we're not using it too we're not doing too much. Yeah. So I'm being quite sporadic, and I'm relying heavily on Fireflies. So I I did go back and have a
Mitchell Davis:explain what that is.
Gavin Tye:Fireflies is a meeting recording app, so it's actually just taking notes. And, I'm not very good at taking notes. I like to watch and then, like, it's all about body language and talk and making sure, like, you it's it's I'd rather do that than take notes. Yeah. So Fireflies is taking notes, and, sometimes I forget what necessarily we speak we speak about because sometimes pricing is really only really quick.
Gavin Tye:And I know with Michael, we, we ranged it, and I I just didn't remember what the range was. And, so I I did figure that out in between asking you and, yeah. So I haven't, yes, I haven't. So now we need to nut out that range. So, hopefully, you've spoken to him, and he's all good with that.
Gavin Tye:So
Mitchell Davis:I I I haven't, but I will. I'll, message him today. Yeah. So, yeah, I was just curious about whether you're tracking in there because I know when we first got set up when you first got me set up with HubSpot, I could go in and see all the deals, and it's it's actually really cool if you haven't seen it before. You're a developer in, like, a sales organization.
Mitchell Davis:Maybe you can get in and have a look because it's it's like a Kanban board, but for your sales Yeah. Which is
Mitchell Davis:Yeah.
Gavin Tye:I do. It it's the channel like, because I run sales market fit through HubSpot, and then I run, we run six sites. Gmail is not very good. It doesn't allow to my knowledge. I I should check it.
Gavin Tye:I should I will actually check it to run two pipelines at the same time through email because it just reads one version of email and one HubSpot. So Yeah. To my knowledge. So but at the moment, I can remember most things. And with sales market fits a little bit different, but then I'm I've slowed down my sales on that a little bit just to I'm more researching at the moment.
Mitchell Davis:Okay.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. So one of the things I spoke to Roman about was setting up individual payment links. So when someone says, yes, they want to go ahead, then we can actually create the payment link and track the payment in HubSpot, but it'll send out the Stripe link through HubSpot, and and it'll catch it into Xero as well. So
Mitchell Davis:Oh, okay.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. So it's so you can see all the payment links out. Yeah. I've never seen I've never used it like that before, but we have to set up for scale so we can get in and go and just go very quickly and then, like, streamlining this process so it doesn't linger. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Which is, I think, is the right thing to do here. So
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. For sure. Well, it'll be exciting to see. I have used payment links before, but not attaching them to, like, a Xero invoice or doing HubSpot integrations and stuff.
Gavin Tye:Straight into a a HubSpot invoice. Right?
Mitchell Davis:They got
Gavin Tye:a they got a commerce pop module in there.
Mitchell Davis:Okay. Alright. Maybe we can have a look at that. You can send me this recording that you did with Roman. Yep.
Mitchell Davis:Sure. Yeah. Sweet. Yeah. I mean, apart from that, I progress has stalled a little, I'll be honest, with the meeting bookings simply because I've been kinda pulled in some other directions.
Mitchell Davis:So this is gonna be a common occurrence on this show of us, you know, battling for our time with six sides and then also our other businesses. And, for those that don't know, I run a
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Laravel. And and we we were rushing that up for this other other opportunity, which is a good lesson. Sometimes it's happened so much. You bend over backwards to someone and they change their mind.
Mitchell Davis:Like Yeah.
Gavin Tye:But we needed to do it anyway, but now we don't have to get it done for a decision. We can actually slow down on it.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. I to be clear, I want to. It's just, like I want to get in and work on this. It's just about prioritizing that time. And I I'm kind of it's been revealed to me that I seem to work to a deadline.
Mitchell Davis:And so if this had have had like a hey, this needs to be ready on April 1 or whatever then I'm certain I would have made it happen. But you're right. As soon as the well, I didn't even know until this week hopped on to do this recording, but I could kind of get a sense that things weren't going it wasn't necessarily going in our direction, right, over the last week or so.
Gavin Tye:You'll always get a sense.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. That's right. So I kind of had a feel of like, yeah. Okay. Like, maybe I can slow down a little even if that was just subconsciously because it's not like I've been sitting here not doing anything.
Mitchell Davis:I've been working my butt off but I have had to be working on some other stuff. So it's kind of interesting to see us over time and I guess specifically me because you kind of seem to be able to juggle it seems like a million plates at a time without it really affecting you. I really struggle with that. It'll be interesting to see how I go as far as building out new stuff or working on, you know, any of the stuff that this business requires of me and how I go with that while chuggling everything else if it's not deadline based Yeah. Where the deadline really enforces, like, hey.
Mitchell Davis:You need to do this next. There's no, like, question mark of, oh, but I maybe I could do that and quickly squeeze this in and you you know? So it's like a just a prioritization thing maybe. I'm not sure.
Gavin Tye:Well, we have talked about that a little bit, and I know Rollie who was on the show a couple month a couple weeks ago, he sent through an example of how they use and I talk about it, and I know that we're investigating AI, how they would do this. And Yep. It it's the learning curve of learning it that's gonna take time as well. But how do we at least because I like, I sometimes I see you struggling and I'm like, I can't help. Like, I don't know how to help.
Gavin Tye:But I was like, okay. Well, I think I can help with the website a little bit, at least the structure. It doesn't have to be perfect, but you've got there's a million other things I can list off about 10 things that you need to do. Yeah. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:And for me, I just try to make it simple. There's just only a couple of things that I need to do. Unfortunately, you're very task you're a task driven role. Right? I'm a more concept and outcome driven role.
Gavin Tye:It's a different thing.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. I think that's fair to say. Yeah. Absolutely. And yours is, like, very reliant on other people as well.
Mitchell Davis:Right? Because, like, if if someone won't meet with you, there's no update to Yeah. To give them. You know? So yours is kind of it's kind of like you you're reacting as things are coming in.
Mitchell Davis:Mine is like, hey. We need this thing and just find some time to get in and do it. You know?
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yes and no. Like, there's some work that I need to do, like the method that I use with my clients that I call the five eight methods about positioning or creating demand and making sure that they need to use us or need to change on what they're currently doing and need to use us. I haven't done that in the business yet, but mainly because I think I know I know it in my head. I just haven't got it out on paper, which I need to go through the exercise.
Gavin Tye:So by our meeting next week, I'll commit to doing the first part of that, the as is and two b model. We call it the fat guy skinny guy model. Yep. And then we'll go from that, because I wanna learn more about the process around setting up an event, which I'm not that knowledgeable on yet.
Mitchell Davis:So Yeah. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Cool. Okay. But we can only
Gavin Tye:do what we can do, Mitchell Davis.
Mitchell Davis:Thank you. Thanks for making me
Mitchell Davis:feel better about not doing meeting bookings yet.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. That's alright. We haven't needed it. Yep.
Mitchell Davis:Well, it's true. So kind of coming up for next week, I I am also thinking through, like, some other game ideas inside of the app, different ways that we could incentivize networking or try and drive other priorities that maybe the the event organizer might have, different to what we're doing at the moment. So just trying to think through some different options because it would be great to have a few ideas, you know, or or game options that the event organizer might be able to pick. You know?
Gavin Tye:Sure. So I think about, like I'm thinking about yes. That's fun. Right? The the the games are fun, and it is really the backbone of getting people to to interact with each other.
Gavin Tye:But, like, my mind goes in order of priority. Like, one of the priorities I think we have is how do we get off a single version of an app. Right? And I don't know the complexities around that. I don't know what the limitations are.
Gavin Tye:So it would be great to set up a session and have a like, to go, hey. These are kinda the constraints that we have to operate in in an app. Because I think once we have that sorted and then the other stuff can come from it, right, so people can pick what they want. But
Mitchell Davis:Is this, like, features you're talking about? Like, hey.
Gavin Tye:Like, how it would because at the moment, we gotta run a single app for an event.
Mitchell Davis:Right? Yeah. So how
Gavin Tye:do we transition into a one one app for everything? And then how does that look like the u for the user? Yeah. Because I think that has to come first because that's gonna we have an idea or a theory on how to achieve I hate the word virality. But for one for for lack of a better word, that.
Gavin Tye:Right? So people have one event and they pick it up and use it again for something else, but they can't do it in the current form. So we have to be able to build something to facilitate that. And I think that's a priority there, right, to hopefully get the the events coming up, use the single app, and then allow them to facilitate. And then we go from that one breeds two, those two breed four, and go from there.
Mitchell Davis:So Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. That's where mine my thinking is at the moment.
Mitchell Davis:So Yeah. Okay. Well, we've got a lot of thinking to do before we can then build, I guess. So sounds like we've got a nice easy week next week, mate. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yeah. We're off the hook, I feel.
Gavin Tye:Well, not if we give you a timeline.
Mitchell Davis:Oh, yeah. That's right. We'll see how we go. Yeah. Alright.
Mitchell Davis:Why don't we wrap up here? I've been Mitch Dev. You can find me on LinkedIn and Blue Sky. Who are you, Gavin?
Gavin Tye:I'm I'm Spech. I'm
Mitchell Davis:Dev. Spech.
Gavin Tye:Check the
Mitchell Davis:YouTube to know what we're talking about.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. You look like a trucker there.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yeah. Trucker. Yep. Thank you for for listening.
Gavin Tye:If you're listening today and yeah. If you've got any questions, leave them in the or you can send an email to [email protected],.com.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. We'll get it sorted.
Gavin Tye:Or you can reach out to us on LinkedIn, and we're happy to answer them.
Mitchell Davis:Absolutely. Leave us a review and five star rating and all of that, and we'll catch you next week. Thanks, Kev.
Gavin Tye:Perfect, mate.
