Hey. I'm Mitchell Davis, a Laravel developer.
Gavin Tye:Good day, Mitchell. I'm Gavin Tye, sales and marketing from Six Sides. How are you?
Mitchell Davis:I'm good. You've messed up my intro, though. We are building sixsides.co. It's an events platform. We help you build a stronger community through events.
Mitchell Davis:This is our b to b SaaS journey. It's not anybody else's. Don't get it twisted. It's ours. How are you, mate?
Gavin Tye:Good. Mate, I see your decorating is coming along really well in your office in the background. You Thanks. Have a talent.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Thanks for pointing that out. I am giving myself sorry. For the uninitiated, I moved into this new office space probably a month ago now, six weeks maybe, somewhere around there. I haven't made any progress in terms of decorating it yet, but I think there's good reason for that.
Mitchell Davis:I can only really kind of work on one thing at a time. Right? And we will talk about today all of these, like, all the stuff that's kind of happening at the moment. There's gonna be a period after mid November after we've run these two last events that we've got for the year. And I'm giving myself then there's like a four to six week period before Christmas.
Mitchell Davis:That's the go time. So that's when I've got it scheduled. So for now, I'm living the the bachelor life here in the office with absolutely nothing of interest in the office. Just a bunch of crap sitting over here out out of frame, and that's it. But I have bought I did buy new, curtains, because the ones that are supplied here by the office are garbage and let sun in.
Mitchell Davis:It's just, like, unbearable from three to 5PM. And you get bought some, like, proper blackout curtains. I still have to put them up. So even that, it's just I'm a slow burner, mate.
Gavin Tye:And they don't work if you don't put them up. And you get sunburned.
Mitchell Davis:Here under each window, two giant windows, and they two giant sets of blinds, and they're not doing me any good right now.
Gavin Tye:You get sunburnt walking past an oven, so I I would recommend you put it up.
Mitchell Davis:So Thanks for pointing that
Gavin Tye:out. Yeah. Mate, how's your how's your week been since we spoke last week? You've been making massive progress.
Mitchell Davis:I have. So it's been a really good week. Lots of progress on a few different areas. So the main goal that we've kind of had, we set this deadline probably a month or so ago now was today, was to be the last day of kind of working on the app before putting it up for review for the App Store and Play Store so that there's then three weeks until, the first event, which is volunteering WA that would need, some of these changes that we're shipping. Now, I kind of pre warned in last week's episode that there's a chance that this would need to slip over into early next week and that is the case.
Mitchell Davis:So there's I have made a bunch of progress but there's still quite a few things to go through and get finished, some that I actually haven't even started yet so there's a few features that need to give the final polish to. So I'm moving the deadline to Tuesday next week. So by the time you are listening to this episode, we will have the app up for review. You and I spoke about it prior to recording. It's not that far of a slip.
Mitchell Davis:It's only a few days.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. It's our self imposed deadline even like volunteering WA said it They're fine. Right? So it's not we're not misjudging. We're not changing the goalpost on a client just to Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Exactly. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. That's right. So, so we're doing that, and I think ultimately it's gonna lead to a much better app experience for all of these attendees at both of these events. So we deem it worth it. And last time, Apple review took only, like a day to get approved, so we're hopeful that that will be quite quick.
Mitchell Davis:And then Google last time was about two weeks, so that's a bummer. So hopefully that will be quicker. But even if it is the full two weeks, then we are still well within the timeline. So yeah. So that's the that's the timeline update for you.
Mitchell Davis:So then specifically what I have been working on, few new features and some polish to some existing ones. So firstly, we can now send push notifications. So when we had the mobile app at LariCon AU last year, I was able to send push notifications but then when we rolled out the new Six Sides app we kind of lost that ability and it was because I didn't have a way to track individual devices very well because every device has a different ID or a token it's called and a token is just like a bit of text but it's a unique bit of text that we need to identify that device and until we could store that information somewhere in our database we didn't have the ability to send a notification to that token and therefore that device. So what I worked on in the early part of this week was, kind of revamping what I had done, for the, Laricon app last year and, coming up with an even better method. So it's actually pretty cool, from a technical perspective.
Mitchell Davis:It's using, there's some cryptography in there. We're generating a public private key pair on each device. We're only storing the private key on that device. We never see it. We we send the public key over to our database, and that's what identifies, that device.
Mitchell Davis:And then on every single request
Gavin Tye:Why do you do that public and private and never see it? What what tell me.
Mitchell Davis:I'm not I'm prepared to give you a cryptography lesson. It's really hard. This is like hard math stuff, but I can have a cracker. The basic idea is like if we generate what we're doing, a private key is like a secret, like a password. Right?
Mitchell Davis:And, what we're able to do is, have the device itself. So when you install the app, we then go and generate this private key, this password. Right? But we keep that on the device. We never see it as the like six sides.
Mitchell Davis:It doesn't make its way over to us. It stays on the device. Now, that's really good for privacy. It also means that, like, there's no database that can get hacked and those keys can get leaked, all these sort of things, so that's really good.
Gavin Tye:But
Mitchell Davis:then, as a part of creating that secret key you also can create a public key and this is one that you can share with people. So we do send that over to our database and those two keys are kind of linked to each other. So if you have the private key on the device, you can create messages. You can it's kind of like a digital signature on like a DocuSign or something like that. Right?
Mitchell Davis:You can create a little signature on any message that you want to send. You sign it using that private key that only you know and then the public key that anybody can see and we store in the database can then verify that this message was created and signed by that private key. That's essentially how it works. And what does that allow you to do? Just send encrypted messages for us?
Mitchell Davis:What it gives us is any device now that installs the app, even if they don't have an account yet with us, you know, so people first downloading the app, they haven't signed into it yet. We can still know about that device because the very first thing it does when the app boots up is it tries to send it off to us and go, hey, I'm a device. This is the current, my current iOS or my Android version. This is the version of the app. This is a bunch of different metrics.
Mitchell Davis:This is I'm an iPhone 12. I'm an Android pixel blah blah blah whatever. Like, we get all that stuff which is all metadata and it's it's important for us to have that so that we know which devices are actively using the app because we can then see like, okay, in the last month, we've had, you know, a bunch of iPhones and two Android devices that are running a really old version of Android or something like that. And that can help us inform decisions on as we roll out changes like if something's if we're gonna roll out a change that's gonna break a really old device, at least we will know about that. Right?
Mitchell Davis:You could tell how many sort
Gavin Tye:of Yeah. So you could tell how many how many times our app has been downloaded through the app stores.
Mitchell Davis:I will now be able
Gavin Tye:to. Yes.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yeah. Okay. At least when it's been opened. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:But the idea is, yeah, you'll download it and then people will open it. Right? And then at that point, their device generates this public private key pair. Okay. Sends us the public part.
Mitchell Davis:We record it. We store it in the database. So yeah, so, that's what we had at LariCon last year but it didn't involve this cryptography stuff and now it does and it's just a way better system. Last year it was like I was creating a unique device ID myself on the back end for this and then sending it back to the device and saying, hey, here's your ID. Hang on to it.
Mitchell Davis:And if it ever lost it, then now like it was just really complicated. So now this it's all like self managed on the device. But then to get to your question of like, well, what's the point of all of this? It's then every request that the app makes to us to go, hey, give me who are the speakers or, you know, look at a given talk or whatever. Every single one of those requests now is signed by this private key that only that device has so we can then know not just that this is Mitch who made this request which we already have based on their WorkOS when they log in to the app and all that sort of thing, we know who you are already and we've had that now for the whole time.
Mitchell Davis:But now we can know, okay, and it's Mitch on this particular iPhone because of this private key he signed this his app has signed this message and we've been able to verify it. Right? So it's really powerful. I don't know if this is the way that like other big apps do this, I'm not quite sure, but this particular like cryptography based stuff is something that I've been brainstorming about for months now. And it took me a day to get it implemented, I think it was Tuesday and I went through, sat down, I got in on Tuesday morning let's say and said, right, let's plan this out.
Mitchell Davis:Cursor, the AI code editor that, we've talked about before now has this like plan mode. So you talk to it first before it actually starts changing any code. And so I then was like, hey, this is what I'm trying to achieve. I know I want it to be with this public private key stuff. We kind of worked through it and then, probably about like two hours later of like planning, going back and forth, etcetera.
Mitchell Davis:Then we had a really solid, like, road map. This is all the different things that it needs to do and then got it working.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Wow.
Mitchell Davis:So it's really cool. So that's kinda changed that this plan mode. I don't know how long that's been in there, but I've only started using it this week, and now I'm using it for. Yeah. Right.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Because I think it's been in
Mitchell Davis:there for a while.
Gavin Tye:I think Rollie showed us about it. But, yeah, it's interesting to see if other companies would do it. If you know, don't email us at six at journey at six sides. We don't wanna know. Send us a DM.
Mitchell Davis:That's the only way. We're shutting up the the we should shut up the journey at six sides. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Okay. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Well So something I have no idea, like, no idea about.
Gavin Tye:Right?
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yeah. So this is the sort of stuff that's going on on I mean, maybe others are doing this or this type of thing, but, yeah, all this sort of stuff under the hood of most apps that you're using.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Right.
Mitchell Davis:It's pretty cool. So that was a big win because what that unlocked then, I got working same day, Tuesday was notifications. Yep. So now in the app, if you're administrator of a given event so you're the organizer or you're you know a volunteer or something like that, you'll now have a section in the app where you can go send a push notification, and send that out to everybody. So that's pretty cool.
Mitchell Davis:We think that's really powerful. And that's something that we didn't have last year. Yeah. I sent all those notifications like from the database basically last year. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Right. So now this is self-service and this is something that we talked about with volunteering WA, Holly and and Krista. So they were pretty excited to be able to do that. I think they also kind of just assumed that it would be in there because it is the sort of thing. If you got an app, surely you can send notifications.
Mitchell Davis:So now we can. And that kind of was like a yeah. They're right. Like, we need I we should be able to do that sort of thing. So it was finally time to let let's get that in there.
Gavin Tye:So listening over these last few months about you developing, there's, I guess there's I've like, I'm a visual person. Is behind the scenes stuff like creating the foundation that you don't normally see. And then there is the the front end stuff. Like you're doing the piping and the wiring and the frame of the house. And then what most people see is the finished room.
Gavin Tye:Right.
Mitchell Davis:And there's, the coat of paint on the walls.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. The coat of paint or, or the air conditioner in the room. Right. But your, a lot of the stuff is spent behind the walls. Right.
Gavin Tye:That people don't see.
Mitchell Davis:And the hood. Yeah. To mix even more metaphors. Yes.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yeah. Under the hood, under the fibro, under the gym. Yeah. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Exactly. Yeah. Interesting. It definitely brought up. We were talking this week about some of the stuff like you were, you were going through this functionality, like way faster this time around, because we're not starting from scratch.
Gavin Tye:And it's really brought up a philosophy people hear it all the time. And I find it so hard to stick to, which is under promise and over deliver. Like we like, we are doing, we we've promised some certain functionality, which we're getting to, which is meetings, writing the meetings and notes. Right? For volunteering WA and LaraCon if they want to use it.
Gavin Tye:But we've been very we haven't spoken to them about our revamped rap videos because running the founders collective had showed, we only had one version of a rap, which was three videos, images on us, three image rap video wrapped image. Sorry.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Like a collage image.
Gavin Tye:A collage. Yeah. But if someone only took one photo, it didn't work. Right. It wouldn't work.
Gavin Tye:So now you've worked what one, two, three, four plus the video to be coming soon. Yeah. We haven't spoken to them about that. And I think it's really, it's so tempting. I was so tempting to bring it up, but one, I didn't know where we stood on it.
Gavin Tye:And two is
Mitchell Davis:Well, it it wasn't Eddie when we spoke with them. That's I then worked on that Wednesday or Thursday. I don't quite remember. But, yeah, like that's only been after the meeting. I then kind of took that.
Mitchell Davis:I'll continue on with what I've been doing, right, for for the rest of this week. Yep. It is it's largely been focused on this wrapped section, which I think we've kind of pivoted to calling that like recaps because you had kind of pushed the point that wrapped feels more like an internal word for us. So I'm I'm just let's just go with recap for now.
Gavin Tye:And that's been picked up as well. Right? They got picked up with the the UI people too. So
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. That's right. Yeah. So yeah. So I've I've worked in that area pretty significantly and I did again, a lot of that was done with cursor and planning.
Mitchell Davis:So going through and saying, look, this page is really boring. Let's first make it look beautiful. And so it did, it went through, it's pulled in some icons, got some nice like not quite shadows but similar type of thing and just some really nice like modern looking UI. And then, it kind of ran away a little bit from me in a good way, it started thinking about some more stuff than what I was going to do. So it's got this when you click on like a create a recap button, I was thinking okay, it'll just give you like a drop down basically of like okay do you want one photo, two, three, four, or a video?
Mitchell Davis:But instead, it it went and turned it into a it's called a bottom sheet, which is like where something slides up out of the bottom, like the question area in the app. That's yeah, you're aware of the bottom sheet?
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yeah. That's consistent with what how you've designed the theme. Right? Designed the app.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. So it kind of intuited that based on the other stuff that we had, and and it it got it ahead of me. Right? Because I didn't think about that. I thought, oh, this isn't that complicated.
Mitchell Davis:I'll just this could just be a drop down. Right? But it looks great. So I then I workshopped it a bit, came out with some custom icons as well. So largely on every project, we're pulling out icons from different, like, icon sets that are out there.
Mitchell Davis:And this is what almost everybody does as far as I know. But the icons I wanted to have were like a visual preview of what the collage would look like with one two three or four
Gavin Tye:Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:And I wanted it to match the layout. And so it was like pulling it for the three image format, it was like pulling out a triangle And I'm like, no. No. No. No.
Mitchell Davis:No. It's not a triangle. Right? It looks like this, and it's either on the left or, or it's on the right, and then you've got two smaller ones opposite that. And so I then thought, okay, I'm gonna let's make some custom icons, and that's something that it could do.
Mitchell Davis:Like, cursor could just go, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Cool. So we did that and, looks really good.
Mitchell Davis:And then, I kind of like I kept iterating on this. It probably took me another two hours to really get this to a point that I was happy with but now we have this great looking sheet that slides up and you go, yep, I wanna it's like, what would you like to create? Or something like that. It's like create an image and then they can select one two three four or create a video and then they can select that. And right now the video part doesn't do anything, but I'm working on today having it just kind of be a fake video for now, and then the implementation of that video so like the ones that we had at Laricon AU last year actually taking people's photos and making it into a video, I will work on that between the time the release goes out and, when, volunteering WA happens.
Mitchell Davis:Right? So because I you have to front load all this stuff in. You have to make sure the app has everything that you need before you can then work on the back end to actually implement it because it's got to go through review on the app store and play store. So I'm faking that with the videos and that's my goal for today is to get that working and be able to actually display the video, download it or share it or whatever today and I'll just use a fake like I found an example m p four file and I'll just use those. And then the other thing that I'm going to try and do today is just quickly add a job title to the, to people's profiles.
Mitchell Davis:So right now we already asked them, like, what company they work for or their employer, But it it became really obvious and clear that, like, oh, we're missing a job title when Holly volunteering WA was like, you know, maybe we could just have people put their job title in on the, on the blue sky handle or something like that. And I was like, oh my god. Okay. We're missing something. So Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yeah. I'm gonna get that added in as well. That's a really quick win. So all of that stuff should happen today.
Mitchell Davis:And then the plan for Saturday, Sunday, Monday, and then on to Tuesday is meetings, which I already have a bunch of progress from last time I worked on this. So I'm gonna pick that up and apply the same type of visual nice modern UI over the top of it as I did with the recaps, and then notes and ratings. Once those are all done, we hit and release. So that's the plan.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. No, it's good. Look, I think it does bring up a really interesting thing is I really like working with Volunteer in WA. Like they've been so fantastic and then showing them and they're like, yeah, this is like really great. You're making great progress.
Gavin Tye:I really look forward to being able to say, Hey, oh, when we did this, when you weren't expecting it and having them to go, holy shit. Cause, and I think just observing you and how you work too, right. When I feel like you like to, we've got that planned. And I think it feels like you've got a handle on that. You go, yeah, I'm going get all that done, but you like being able to divert and do some fun shit every now
Mitchell Davis:and then. Right.
Gavin Tye:And then that gives you your energy back. So if we don't promise, like we promise the core stuff, but give you enough scope to do some fun shit. And then we just go back and go, hey, by the way, I've done some fun shit. Right? And because that's
Mitchell Davis:where I get the most enjoyment out of this profession is being able to be creative. Yeah. Because when I talk about writing software with Nicole and her sister, they're like, oh my god. This just sounds like so boring, so draining, or
Gavin Tye:like I would have to agree that would probably sound very boring.
Mitchell Davis:But you get to do this fun stuff. Like, that so it it's not like a nice to have. It's like a requirement for me is being able to work on some fun stuff that's not I'm not someone that, like I can give you an example. So Chris who works with me at Atlas, he likes punching out tickets. Like he gets assigned a task, he'll go it has like all the stuff that he needs to know.
Mitchell Davis:He'll go, he'll work on it, he'll finish it off, Send it over the wire. Right? Done. I'm not like that at all. So I like having the the freedom and the flexibility to go, oh, great.
Mitchell Davis:The yeah. I'll I'll get this thing 70% of the way there to what you wanted, you know, you as in the imaginary you, not you Gavin. And then wouldn't it be great if we just added this?
Gavin Tye:Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Let's tweak this. Like, I'm I'm more creative in that way. So when everything is just like regimented, okay, this is what we have to build. There's no room for flexibility.
Mitchell Davis:Those projects suck. I don't like those at all. So this being our project, yeah, I love being able to go do other stuff. It brings up another point. Yesterday, you and I spoke about that like four to six week period at the around December.
Mitchell Davis:And I was like, I really would like to work on the marketing website because I'm gonna have that period. And to me that period is kind of a wind down mode. No one's really seriously like starting off anything new on the December 1. It's not gonna happen. Right?
Mitchell Davis:So I had kind of suggested I would like to use that period as like I'll work on the marketing side, we can make some changes to it, I've got some ideas, I wanna work with Cursor now that I've got this a bit like I'm much more familiar with it, come up with some different things. We also wanna add, the other podcast, Changemakers, which we'll talk about later, but like there's stuff that we wanna add to the marketing side And you kind of suggested like, and this is fine. You suggested like, we'd probably be better served by working on the dashboard for now because we need it. Right? Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:And yes, Michael is is working on it, but he's starting to slow down a bit because Laracon's coming up. And like like, it's my task to be clear. Yeah. It's my job to do that. He's just, you know, putting in a few hours when he can and we appreciate it.
Mitchell Davis:But yeah, what what I was kind of thinking was like that would be a nice fun side project, you know, to work on before getting bogged down in like the hard kind of boring building out UI and tables and buttons and whatever. So we resolved to we'll talk about that more later on in the year, but it's the exact same type of thing. I really like having a creative outlet because otherwise the job can just be really boring.
Gavin Tye:Is there like doing those, putting those, some of those dashboards together, at least a version of them, there would be opportunity for creative outlet in there. Right. Like, but you mentioned, you you said, oh, like doing be able to do the skins and all that stuff, like the templates. Yeah. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:But that's a lot of
Mitchell Davis:that stuff is already known now. Like, that's the thing. I like the I like the exploration of it. Yeah. That's where the real creativity comes.
Mitchell Davis:Right? So, anyway, again, like, it's not I'm not using this as an opportunity to, like, dump on you.
Gavin Tye:You're not dumping on me. No. I do see, cause I do think the fun stuff. I agree. The fun stuff is where the emotion comes from.
Gavin Tye:Right? The emotive of the, of the user to have them going, oh, this is great. But then on the flip side, it's the foundation stuff that that will pay, they will pay for. There's a, there's a, like they use it more on the emotion side and love it and they'll talk to their friends more, but then there is the foundational shit that people need to see before they'll pay, which we want to get to 300 ks a year or that's our goal next year. And to do that, it's that we need that.
Gavin Tye:Right.
Mitchell Davis:Agree. So I think it's It's a balance. Definitely all a balance. Yes. Of, okay.
Mitchell Davis:Work on some fun stuff, but also work on the stuff that makes money. I get it. It's just like it's good to be aware of this because you you've picked up on it yourself and then me confirming to you that like, yeah, I do really like getting this.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Spend a day on like something and and I felt really pleased when I was able to go back to you and go, hey. By the way, I got one two three four all done, and I sent you an example of what they look like. That was a really good like, I did something good here. You know? Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:I thought it great.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. So those sorts of wins of surprising people Yeah. Are awesome. But anyway
Gavin Tye:And we've another we've got a hope maybe another one, which we're not gonna talk about. We'll see if we get you get time to do it before next week as well. And then if we do, then we'll under promise and over surprise our audience and they can give you a hand clap at journey at 06:00. So, but mate it's yeah, look, it's awesome. And, yeah, fingers crossed that the, Google does not take two weeks.
Gavin Tye:And I hopefully it doesn't because it's been that was just a new app. So this time it's it's just an update. So hopefully it's just a review. So
Mitchell Davis:Hopefully, we will see. We'll keep you posted, for next week. We should be able to report by then. It'll be like day three, I think, of Yep. After we've submitted it.
Mitchell Davis:So hopefully, they're both done, and you can go grab the app. So we'll let you know.
Gavin Tye:So just with that, so I'm having, I'm anticipating, I'm using our release of the app on updated functionality as a sales tool. So I'm planning meetings on the, think it's Wednesday, could even be Tuesday where I'm trying to get clients who are in like potential clients who are interested. And then sitting with them to make the decision. I'm using the latest releases of functionality as a tool to get them excited to buy. I'm meeting figuratively meet, trying to get the client to meet where we'll be on Wednesday next I'm pretty sure it's Wednesday or even Tuesday to meet there.
Gavin Tye:So love it. Have it again. Oh, fuck. Yeah. We'll buy it.
Gavin Tye:So,
Mitchell Davis:yeah. Okay. So, well, that's helpful for me to know because I should get you an early version of the app then.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. So let me tell you when I am meeting that person, and that is
Mitchell Davis:alright.
Gavin Tye:Bomb. Yeah. Wednesday. Mid afternoon, 1PM.
Mitchell Davis:Okay. So we'll figure that out. I'm gonna jot that down. So get Gavin access. So we'll probably do that using TestFlight.
Mitchell Davis:And that's Apple's, like, early release review thing where you can share, like, builds of the app before they're ready for the public.
Gavin Tye:Yep. So, Are you saying that for me or just for the audience? Because I I know I feel like I know I test flighted.
Mitchell Davis:I'm saying it for the audience.
Gavin Tye:Oh, yeah. There you go. Okay.
Mitchell Davis:But yeah. Sure. I'm saying it for the audience. Yeah. Anyway, so, we will figure that out, but that's a really good point.
Mitchell Davis:So I think the timing should should work. I know that, actually, it will be. It'll be perfect. I was thinking we might have to go through a review process even for TestFlight, but because you are an internal user to the Six Sides Apple developer account, you can just grab it straight away, mate.
Gavin Tye:Mate, I'm All good. No need to worry. I'm in under the hood.
Mitchell Davis:I know you're a bit worried about TestFlight there for a minute, but, you'll be right.
Gavin Tye:Might have to run through it again before we get there. But yeah.
Mitchell Davis:The truth comes out. Hey.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. But yeah. Look, it's I think it's great. And it's been really as an observer of you and we have been juggling your stress levels to be fair as, I think this, this one, this time around, we did strip back some promises and you've ended up going over what you've promised anyway, which is good. Right?
Gavin Tye:So, and I think this
Mitchell Davis:feels miles better than, for Laravel Live Denmark. So, that was like very stressful right up to the the minute that it was running and even during. I'm feeling way, way better just in terms of our infrastructure, in terms of the mobile app itself, the new functionality, the timeline. I think we learnt a lot from Laravel Live Denmark and then also running Founders Collective last month like that was also really helpful to just try and get a feel for things. We got good feedback from that event like every event that we we run and then get feedback on is just gonna help us improve.
Gavin Tye:So Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. I I feel way better about it. Let's see how that goes in three weeks time, four weeks time, whatever it is when it's now crunch time and and these events are running, but at least the app will be out and and ready to go. Know?
Gavin Tye:I think we're gonna obviously we'll be learning. That's just one event. We've been learning every single event. Right. So I took the learnings.
Gavin Tye:We're going talk about this in a second. I took the learnings from, all that and then even founders collective to inform the webinar that we put out this week that we have for our target audience. So it's all, I think it's all snowballing and it all comes out and we'll end up being, cause we're not knowledgeable on putting on events, right. Or helping people put on events or using event technology. We're still, we're still finding our way here.
Gavin Tye:The premise and the foundations and the fundamental principles where solving a sound, I think they're undisputed applying them and getting people to do it as efficiently as possible. I think that is something that we'll learn. Right.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Well, don't you tell us about the webinar?
Gavin Tye:Yeah. I should have had that up while we were talking. I didn't bring it up. Yeah. We put out a new webinar.
Gavin Tye:Let me just bring that up as we speak. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. So I think it's on the November 19. Yep. Yep. Nineteenth.
Gavin Tye:Thanks for padding there, mate. Just pad for two more seconds. Yep.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. And it's so it's in a month. So if you're interested, head to journey at six sides. No. I'm kidding.
Mitchell Davis:We'll we'll put a link in the show notes where you can go sign up for the the webinar. I think you're running that on LinkedIn. Right?
Gavin Tye:No. No. I run it on a platform called StreamYard. StreamYard. I'm not gonna
Mitchell Davis:Live sync it to LinkedIn?
Gavin Tye:Yeah. I've decided not to do that. Okay. We could actually link it to it. I I could put that out.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Actually, I might put that out there. I had I just wanted to get it out there, but I can link it up to an event. Okay. So basically Now you've got your page up.
Mitchell Davis:Why don't you run us through it? What's going
Gavin Tye:So basically what it is, it's it's about helping and encouraging attending interaction to build stronger community. So one of the things we learned when we did founders collective is people are habitual. Right? If you don't stop their habits of what they're used to doing, people will just fall back into doing their own habit. Like what they're used to doing and what they're comfortable, particularly if shyness and apprehension and going to a new area come in, people really revert back to what they're comfortable doing.
Gavin Tye:And so at when we did Founders Collective, we had every intention of people taking photos and some people were great. Like Karen Jensen was awesome. Anita was great. Like Roman was good as well. I took photos.
Gavin Tye:Just try to encourage it, but people were, would just stick to their groups of who they knew. Right. And they weren't, they weren't mixing. So one of the things that, this is the webinar is, is about how to encourage attendee interaction. Right.
Gavin Tye:And helping people, recognize, what the habitual habits are. And if they want to change it, how to encourage it through gamification, through other means. And then yes, we will show six sides and how it does that, but that won't be the focus of it. We want to show them how the, they have to be prescriptive around changing the behavior. And in saying that we will, we will eat, eat our own medicine, right?
Gavin Tye:Take our own medicine is those lessons as I am going to be, we're setting up the next founders collective event, next, next month, which is the next day, actually on the twentieth. And we are going to be far more prescriptive on the two hour schedule where we were just saying, Hey, networking for two hours. When we did the first one, next one, we're going to say, Hey, thirty minutes, go and meet founders and take a photo, ask them these two questions and get to know. And so they can
Mitchell Davis:recognize Speed dating almost.
Gavin Tye:Yes. Speed dating, going around and we'll see everyone taking photos. And then, we will show them about, Hey, afterwards, how you can, you can use this, the recap to, to take images and stuff like that. I, the goal is, is to see a marked improvement on the media capture. Right?
Mitchell Davis:And what an awesome, like, case study is that going to be, right, of going, this is what it looks like if you run an event that's kind of unstructured. This is what it can be, and you can get all these amazing benefits out of it and probably have everybody feel like it was a better event. All of your attendees, like their experience as well. Right? So So our goal from there that.
Gavin Tye:Our goal from there is to have people connect beyond us having that event. We're having a great speaker called Mark Salby coming to talk about his journey, of he was, the founder of this company called blue sky alternative investments. And he's going talk about his journey. That in itself follows what we had, like inspirational talk and inspiration, inspirational talk, but we want people to connect after. Right.
Gavin Tye:And it's, we're going to run this as a case study. We even had a call this week with Stripe who sponsored the last event. So they've offered to sponsor it again for this one and give the same prize for people. So we should have more people doing it. But they they gave us some really good, feedback.
Gavin Tye:They said, one, if you're going to get a guest speaker, get them a gift for coming to speak. And because I never think about gifts. Gifts are what Mel finds. I'm sure you don't think about them much either. Right?
Gavin Tye:And so I was like, oh, okay. Well, let's find out what do we get? Roman was like, well, I don't know what he drink. I don't know if he drinks. Someone was like, he may not drink because he just swam in seven oceans and something.
Gavin Tye:Like, okay, let's figure that out. And then, so we sat down and she told us how much an event might cost to put this on, like have 200 people at an event. And I'm like and they gave us a price. And I was like, no way. We can't afford that.
Gavin Tye:They said she said
Mitchell Davis:it was something like reckons $10,000. I'm like, no way. Not a chance. At $10,000
Gavin Tye:in food, like that's rubbish. That's not gonna we're not gonna do that. Anyway, so I've had this theory with six sides. We haven't built this out yet because I think it's a long way down the track is I think what we're going to do here is we're going to build our community to a thou like 500,000 people, whatever it is. Right?
Gavin Tye:And then we're going to go and then we're going to build a prospectus and say, Hey, we've got this. We've got this, this many, this much growth. It's growing this month, month on month. These are the type of people who are in the group. These are the type of events that we're gonna run per year, like a mix of this.
Gavin Tye:If you wanna sponsor us, we're going to offer this type of sponsorship, like gold, platinum, whatever that may be. And this is what you'll get. And so, but we're going to actually build the community first and then see if people want to get involved to support it. And then, and then sponsors can do it over the longer term. I think that is a fucking great case study to do.
Gavin Tye:Right. Where I know other people who are running events, they're already running out of steam and they're trying to find people who are sponsors to sponsor them to buy pizzas. I'm like, no, let's do this completely different. Let's hold off on this first. We're in a far stronger position.
Gavin Tye:If we have 500 people in our community already, like in our sub stack for six sides, we've got two zero one people on our, in our community already. So you're going to put that in the show notes. So if people listening to this, please go and, go and, subscribe to it. And we'll keep you updated on our journey. But founders collective is really interesting.
Gavin Tye:It's growing at a certain number a day. It's at 120 and it's growing at about 10 a day. Yeah. Yeah. But one more, I've got more founders in my LinkedIn network and Roman's doing it as well.
Gavin Tye:So, it'd be interesting to grow them both at the same time. Right.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yeah. Don't forget about six sides, mate, when founders collective takes off and you're getting a $100 in sponsorship. All right.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yeah. Yep. And then we would do, but then once that goes there, we'll, we'll, you know, change makers and all that will be part of it and, you know, it all be connected. Oh, and I've even got a meeting this afternoon as someone from who come, who she couldn't make the first meeting, but actually had a, it's weird.
Gavin Tye:I had a dream and like a dream about her or a premonition. I woke up and I said, I need to call this lady. And as I said that this in the morning, the morning, I was like, I've got to go chase her after I do this task. She messaged me or commented on a post. And so I was like, oh shit.
Gavin Tye:So it's fate. Yeah. Yeah. It could be not. It could be nothing.
Gavin Tye:It could be fate. She could be, she could be the lady of my dreams and Mel and I separate. Who knows? Could be. That's right.
Mitchell Davis:Look out Mel. Mel's not listening to this one.
Gavin Tye:Anything to grow the grow revenue, Anything to
Mitchell Davis:the PR. Whatever it takes. Yeah. Whatever it takes.
Gavin Tye:So yeah, it's really interesting about how to like to grow it, but we're going to be way more deliberate in making people connect. We're also going to be able to, now we're going to have the meeting functionality where people can meet afterwards if they, they could even meet afterwards. Right? That's an interesting thing. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:After the event.
Mitchell Davis:It's not currently on the roadmap. No. So you are dropping bombs on me right now.
Gavin Tye:I'm an ideas guy.
Mitchell Davis:Well, you are an ideas guy. Yep. Okay. I'm gonna jot that down. I think that's a cool one.
Mitchell Davis:So we'll we'll see.
Gavin Tye:So but, yeah, like, it's really interesting how that's playing out. But all half of these ideas we're having and, and changing the app around we're learning or we're having them because we're at the app is being used. We're using the app ourselves. Right. Right.
Gavin Tye:And it's interesting. I think this founders community stuff growing it, the founders collective, being the client of our own client is really interesting.
Mitchell Davis:Dog feeding it.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. For sure. I think that's the best products come out of that, out of actually using the tool that you're creating and seeing, does this actually help? How can we make it better? Etcetera.
Mitchell Davis:So,
Gavin Tye:it's really cool. Hypothesis is it will grow and strengthen a community. So if we don't achieve that with founders collective with we're using six sides as a pivotal part of it, then hypothesis is wrong. Right? Our functionality is not matching the hypothesis, but already I think it's working.
Gavin Tye:Right? Yeah. So,
Mitchell Davis:Well, the the final thing on Founders Collective. So you're looking at doing the RSVP basically through the app for the next event. Right? Yeah. So, what are you thinking about there?
Mitchell Davis:How's that gonna work?
Gavin Tye:Well, the step that we had last time was put the event up on LinkedIn, and we'll still do that. Right? We'll still do it. And we will advertise that it's at this event, but people must register to go to the event through founders through Six Sides. So we will see all the attendees.
Gavin Tye:And so what we were doing before is we had a Luma event page. Right? So the process was we'd LinkedIn posts. They said yes. And then you have to ask them to go into Luma and register.
Gavin Tye:Right. And then after then we emailed them and got them to come up in six sides. There was too many steps for them to get in. Right. So what I'm thinking about now, even putting up the event on even LinkedIn or emailing people on our newsletter and saying, Hey, if you want to come register the event code is FCO two or FCMB, whatever it is, MS, go in there, register, set up your profile.
Gavin Tye:Gives them way more time. We can put the checklist in there, like whatever we need them to do. Yeah. It gives them way more time to set up their profile and then they can go in and go, oh, who else is going? Oh shit.
Gavin Tye:Oh, good day, mate. I'd love to chat and say, hi, how's it going? And they can meet each other. Right? Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. So, and then we can, we can track. We've got the numbers in there to see how many attendees are going. Mark could even get in there, which is the talker. The the speaker could go in there and meet people.
Gavin Tye:Right? So he could set up meetings there if he wanted. Yeah. It's it just cuts out the step of using the Luma.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Well, like don't have
Gavin Tye:a vehicle to email the people who go to the, who are at the event. Though we don't, because we're gonna use Bento for in app messaging. Yeah. SlubStack is not for once they're in the app. We need to transition away from that.
Gavin Tye:So yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Okay. We'll have to figure that out. Yeah. I I think it's really cool.
Mitchell Davis:So you're wanting to send that out, basically ASAP, right, to put up that announcement and say, hey. Here's the code. Here's the app. Go download it to RSVP. I wonder, does it make sense to hold on that until the newest version
Gavin Tye:Yes.
Mitchell Davis:Is out?
Gavin Tye:Yeah. I agree.
Mitchell Davis:I agree. Because then there's no like, oh, you've got the old version. You've gotta go update it to see all this stuff, like anyone that came to the last one. So Yeah. That's right.
Mitchell Davis:Cool.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yeah. Let's do that. And then we can
Mitchell Davis:You'll still have, like, three weeks in advance. Right? So I think Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Today's only
Gavin Tye:the the event's on the twentieth. So today's only seventeenth. By the time that comes out, three weeks is plenty. We're telling them that it's coming. We can put a speaker, we can put, I can say, hey, this is coming soon.
Gavin Tye:We're going to announce it next week on the nineteenth. We were going to say, hey, bookmark this or something like this, share it with whoever. And then we'll release it to say, hey, next week, if you wanna RSVP, we'll get the get it excited.
Mitchell Davis:So yeah. Sounds good, mate. Alright. Well, why don't you tell us about the newsletter? Any progress there?
Gavin Tye:Yeah. So that's released. That's gone out. So events into growth. So that's done.
Gavin Tye:We'll give you the link to anyone who wants to
Mitchell Davis:register. Link.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. So we're gonna go out that we're gonna Yeah. Use Substack for that so people can share it easily and hopefully it get picked up by others in the community builders and stuff. Want to use that to, we've got the change makers podcast, which we're starting to build out at the moment as well. I'm looking at, have a look at, I've got one guest earmarked, but she's a bit, she's bit sick or she's hurt herself at the moment.
Gavin Tye:So we're just waiting for her to come back online. But I was trying to get some feedback on, change, like, so the structure of change makers. So that's going to go. Yeah. So it's good.
Gavin Tye:It's up and running. We put the first, second publication out yesterday. Yeah, it's up and running and that will be where we will announce big stuff and try to get people into, like, if they register a webinar, we'll filter them into the Substack onto an email newsletter and stuff. Gotcha.
Mitchell Davis:Cool. Alright. Well, I guess, we got two more points here. So, why don't we talk about road trips? So you're heading over to Perth for volunteering WA's state conference.
Mitchell Davis:That's in that's in the November. So you you've got your tickets sorted and everything there. Right?
Gavin Tye:Mate, when I used to travel for Redeye and other businesses, you just never think about the cost. You're like, ah, it's not not for me. Yeah. Mate, $2,000 is a lot of money when you are bootstrapping something and you are relatively pre revenue and we're not rich. I'm like, oh my God, 2,000.
Gavin Tye:And I'm like, okay, well that it is what it is. And I'm like, how do you turn? How do we 10 X that return on investment? Right. So I'll be using the meeting app inside six sites to meet everyone in the app that I would love to shake hands with.
Gavin Tye:And I would love to do all these BD meetings while I'm there. I'm going over a day early with. Before the conference. And so I, I have booked my whole day from getting off the plane to 05:00 in the afternoon of meeting people. So I've already got all my meetings booked before we get there just to face to face is so much better than,
Mitchell Davis:for sure.
Gavin Tye:Anything else. So, yeah, I'm, I'm trying to make, whenever I go somewhere now, I'm going to actually devote one day to deal buddy and one day to six sides or whatever that is. Right. Or the evenings to founders collective, whatever that may be. So, yeah, I've got to, got to turn that, you know, it just can't be a sunk cost.
Gavin Tye:It absolutely cannot be a sunk cost. So,
Mitchell Davis:yeah, it's a lot of money.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. So with that, like, we're gonna do some things. You're gonna do it at LaraCon as well. We're gonna do some street style interviews. We're gonna try to use that on our we'll set up a Instagram maybe or a tick like TikTok.
Gavin Tye:Just try to get people interested in what we're doing and come and find us that way. Like, I think if we can aim to do, I don't know, N number of videos per like edit them and get them out there. That'll be ideal just to try to build awareness. So we're actually getting multiple dips at the marketing pie. We want to get some like tripods for that.
Gavin Tye:I also want to get some of our Ts and Cs set up on DocuSign. So if people, were lucky enough to someone to go, yeah, great. Then then we'll go, yeah, okay. We're ready to go. Let me send you Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Let me send you everything. So we're we look professional ready ready to move forward. So
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Well, I so then what I'm doing as far as travel because the week after that is Laracon AU, and so our plan is I'm gonna come up, fly to the Gold Coast, which is nearer to you, that airport. Come up on the Tuesday afternoon, I'll get in. So I gotta book flights, and I'm gonna do that this weekend. So I will actually have it done.
Mitchell Davis:And then, I'll stay with you and your family on Tuesday evening. I'll hang out with you on on Wednesday morning and then around lunchtime somewhere thereabouts, I'll head over to Brisbane where Lara Connoy U is. I'll then connect with Michael and I'll be doing those same sorts of interviews. So getting everything set up with him and and the other volunteers. And then Thursday, Friday is the the conference.
Mitchell Davis:Right? So are you still planning on coming on the Thursday?
Gavin Tye:Yeah. I'll come both days because I've got a meeting
Mitchell Davis:Oh, cool.
Gavin Tye:For the for the Founders Collective. Next one is at QUT. So
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. That's right. Yep. So same complex. Right?
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Well, it's at Gardens Point. You guys are at Gardens Point somewhere, aren't you?
Mitchell Davis:We're at the Garden Theatre, I think it is.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we're quite not we're at Gardens Point and it's Gotcha. It's it's there, but it's probably in a smaller theatre.
Gavin Tye:Right? You'd in a bigger one.
Mitchell Davis:Right. Okay. It's just like across the complex.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Okay. Gotcha. Yeah. So we're in the same vicinity.
Gavin Tye:So we're gonna meet Mark there and get to know him because we're gonna interview him on the talk as well. Yeah. So,
Mitchell Davis:yeah. Yeah. Great. Okay. It's cool.
Mitchell Davis:So you got that happening. Yeah, man. Then
Gavin Tye:even reached out to give me a shirt.
Mitchell Davis:I was like, well,
Gavin Tye:good work.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. That's really nice. Like, that's that's unexpected. So, so thank you, Michael, for that. Holly, I don't know if you're listening to this.
Mitchell Davis:Maybe you wanna get us a shirt. You know? You would Get a hat. Yeah. Get this just something.
Mitchell Davis:You know? Gavus Gavus coming a long way to get over there, Holly, you listen to
Gavin Tye:shoes, Holly. That'd be great. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Anyway. Yeah. So really excited for that. We'll have to figure out what you and I are gonna get up to on that Tuesday and Wednesday to try and make the most of that time because we haven't seen each other in person for, like, four or five months or something like that. Right?
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Episode 17. So seventeen weeks ago now. So four months. So Yep.
Mitchell Davis:There you go.
Gavin Tye:I think we step like, we step and maybe we do currently, we're delivering events for, like one off events. Right? It looks like we're gonna transition. Hopefully, we looks like we might have a client hopefully coming up pretty soon, which will be over the course of twelve months. Right?
Gavin Tye:So many events and number of events. But maybe we look at that. What's the plan for that? And then we go back from go back from there. So we go from, and then we step it back.
Gavin Tye:Okay.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Well, that can be our goal of those, you know, we only have a few hours probably of working time. Because like last time we went and played where we played simulator golf, ex golf or something like that. Yeah. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:It's hard. We won't be doing much on, we won't be doing much in the evening because we'll go to dinner with the kids and stuff. And then obviously the kids are gonna want to play. We mate, we had a fun game this morning. We were, Mel was out.
Gavin Tye:She was walking. And so I bought the mountain bike in the house and we cleared tracks and we're playing police around the house. I was riding the mountain bike. Way too fast in the house. And yeah, the
Mitchell Davis:kids- Mel was out.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yeah. That like, yeah, yeah. It was fun. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:I don't know she would've cared, but it was way too quick for what was going on inside. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Right. Yeah. Okay.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Might do a bit of that. So
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Right. Well, that'll be fun. I haven't ridden a bike in ages actually, but, it's something that I like. I like the concept of bike riding.
Mitchell Davis:I would like to do it more. So we'll see how we go in in November. Cool. Okay. So then final thing to kind of wrap everything up, lead gen updates.
Mitchell Davis:So, anything there? Any progress?
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Look, we are progressing to the next round of opportunity like deals. Like there's a couple that that one that could be close. I I'm reasonably confident. We'll you talked about it.
Gavin Tye:You said I set you up a few weeks ago that I think it's gone south, that it went south. But I think there's a better than average chance that I might've pulled it back. Yep. We just gotta wait. I'll know more by our podcast next week.
Gavin Tye:The other thing as well is if people are doing lead generation, I just wanna share a lesson here is they are people change roles so much. So there's a real like, we've been talking to one business for a while. And what happened was is she was really keen. We were walking, working through it. We sent her a mock demo of what it would look like, the platform.
Gavin Tye:And then she'd gone she went quiet for a while and I thought some if people go quiet, it's it's typically for a reason. Right? Anyway, so I called her and she said, I'm actually leaving. I was like, fuck now. Like you go through all this work and you like, think you're close and then they leave and then you're like, gotta start from zero again.
Gavin Tye:So it's always really important if you can. And, and I forget this sometimes is to meet more than one person in a business. Right? So someone leaves, then you have someone to, to, talk to. And, but luckily I messaged her boss and he put me onto her.
Gavin Tye:So I know her boss and I'm going to go back to him and say, Hey, we've been doing some great work with this lady. She's leaving. How do we pick up the conversation again? Or can I update you on what we spoke about to try to not lose it? Yeah.
Gavin Tye:You said she was gonna introduce us or pass on the stuff to her counterpart who who starts, which is great, But we have a good relationship with her. She's going to another business. She goes, I would love to continue the conversation. I've been tasked with revamping their events and an event app is on that. So it's not all dead.
Gavin Tye:Great. Yep. You've gotta keep track of these people and you've gotta try to derisk deals where you can. It's it's easier said than done, but de risking it by meeting other people. Right?
Mitchell Davis:It it's crazy to me that, like, you have this skill set. You're this is what you do. Right? And you thrive on it, this sort of stuff. Because hearing all of that, like, I'm just like, oh my god.
Mitchell Davis:That sounds impossible to, like, keep track of people and where you're up to with everything and always trying to reach out at the right time or future proof it by getting another contact in the business. It is hard. It's just like a whole other you and I are in completely different worlds. Right?
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. Well, you're trying to future proof like what you're saying before.
Gavin Tye:We do the same thing just in different areas. You're trying to future proof by stacking the app. So when you go get a release, you're putting in dummy things there. So you don't have to go back and do things. I'm doing the same thing, but just in a mentally, in a, like trying to foresee stuff, but in a price point where our price point is higher, it would work.
Gavin Tye:It would warrant. If that company that we spoke to is only two hours from you. Right? Yeah. In a perfect world, if they were a 30 or $40,000 client a year, then we would go and see them in the presales process.
Gavin Tye:So we would stack a road trip and go see all these people. And so that way you meet them and others in the business. So, and that's the way you would do it, but it's very hard to do while you're online. But in on the, like when I go to Perth, I'll be trying to meet as many people as I can. Then, and then that is a way to de risk it.
Gavin Tye:So someone leaves you go, oh, oh, Mitch, remember you spoke when I was there. That's right. Higher the price points, sometimes it's easier to do it. So Yeah. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Oh, for sure.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Cool, mate. Alright. Well, I think that probably wraps us up. We've been going for a while now. So
Gavin Tye:Where can I find you, mate?
Mitchell Davis:Oh, where can they find me? You flicked in the script. You can find me at Mitch Dev in all the places online. I'm gonna try and be a bit more active on LinkedIn. You and I have a plan to start talking about that next week, so feel free to reach out.
Mitchell Davis:I've to give a little update because in some of my circles that I listen to, some other podcasts like Mostly Technical is the main one, Some people there in that space have been talking a bit about kind of pulling out of the Twitters and the blue skies and social media and things like that. And I think I am still kind of in that camp. I think I was a bit ahead of what some like the burnout that some other people are feeling right now on some of those social medias. So I'm not actively checking any of that stuff, but I will be starting to check and contribute more on LinkedIn Yeah. Over the next little while.
Mitchell Davis:I'm not promising that forever, but I'm gonna give that a try starting next week. So that's where you can find me at Mitch Daff. Alright? What about you, mate?
Gavin Tye:Mate, I'm on LinkedIn, Gavin Ty.
Mitchell Davis:Anyway, alright. You can find us, 6sides.co. I revamped the show notes a little. Last week, I switched up the format to try and put the links at the top and make it a bit clearer, so check that out, and we'll have links to everything that we talked about today. And, we look forward to updating you next week.
Mitchell Davis:Alright. Thanks for listening.
Gavin Tye:Alright, mate. See you.