Hey. I'm Mitchell Davis, a Laravel developer.
Gavin Tye:Good day, mate. I'm Gavin Tye, sales and marketing head of how's it going, buddy?
Mitchell Davis:I'm good. We are building sixsides.co. It's, an events platform. It helps you build a stronger community through events that you're running. This is our B2B SaaS journey.
Mitchell Davis:Mate, how are you?
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Pretty good. Yeah. It's not too bad. It's bloody cold here today.
Gavin Tye:So What is that? Yeah. We've had big storms every night for the last couple nights. I got hailed on two nights ago and our backyard flooded. It was, very surprising for this time of the year, but man, it's really cold.
Mitchell Davis:So Yeah. Okay. And no damage from hail?
Gavin Tye:No. No. Just a pool filled up. It was only tiny hail, so it wasn't big, big hail chance. Right.
Gavin Tye:Okay. Yep. How are you, mate? We got,
Mitchell Davis:I'm good. But on hail, we got smashed here a few years ago. My parents' car one of one of their cars got like absolutely smashed windscreens and everything. It was a huge deal. I don't know.
Mitchell Davis:Does does that ring a bell for you guys? Did you get any hail a few years ago that was like a big deal? You did?
Gavin Tye:Yeah. We've had a car written off from hail a few years ago. Our friends were over at our house. Their car was fine, and our car got written off. Like, it was just a structure of like the Captiva, which is what Mel had.
Gavin Tye:It was great though. We got a good insurance payout.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Sometimes it can be a bit of a blessing. Right?
Mitchell Davis:But anyway, no hail here and, the weather's been fine. Do you like storms? You a storm fan?
Gavin Tye:Love them, but the family doesn't. The dog especially doesn't. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
Gavin Tye:Melvin, he's a he's a black long haired dog. So there's been a few times where we've had lightning and if he can, he doesn't run off, but if he gets out in the storm, he runs and you, you, only needs to go five meters and you can't see him anymore. And he did it one of the big storms or like, he can get hit by a car here. Thank God he'd come back.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. That's really stressful.
Gavin Tye:Mate, I'm being really conscious of me saying yes. I've been listening to some podcasts and I'm like, yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah. I reckon I'm saying that yes, a 100 times.
Mitchell Davis:I'm bad with, I've noticed I say a 100% or absolutely. Those are my like, okay. I was kinda listening and now I'm ready to move on. I've been thinking about the next topic and I'm like, yeah. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Okay. Absolutely. And then I move on. It's like, I'm also trying to be yeah. So take note.
Gavin Tye:Interesting. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:You can call me out on it. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Even now I was doing it.
Mitchell Davis:It's better
Gavin Tye:than saying no, I guess.
Mitchell Davis:Well, that's true. Yes and.
Gavin Tye:You know? Bit of improv here.
Mitchell Davis:Anyway, we have a few topics to go through today. We are trying to be more topical, and and a bit more Deliberate. Present with our thinking and, yeah, and prepared. So we will get into, our company values in a minute, but first, you've got some lead gen updates for us. So how's everything going?
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Started lead gen last week. It's going okay. We've got a couple of people talking to us. There's one person that I'm speaking to that's running a Java conference later in the year in New Zealand.
Gavin Tye:I've gotta go back to him today. He messaged me last night and it was just wasn't in a position to talk to him, not a very big conference. So, they're only just starting out, but it might be an idea to help, get them start building that over, the next couple of years. So, that's interesting.
Mitchell Davis:What's the actual, what are you doing? Like for people like me who prior to knowing you, I wouldn't really have any idea what lead gen is like. What are you actually doing when it comes down to spending time on this?
Gavin Tye:Sure. So the, the most difficult thing with any new business is start getting momentum and letting people know that your, that you exist, that we exist. Right? Up until now, we've leveraged our networks, our first degree networks, or your like, the results of your first event kit app at LaraCon AU. Every conference we've had as a result has come from LaraCon last year.
Gavin Tye:Yep. So but we have a out in the world, there's way bigger marketing event app or platform companies that would be dominating with marketing. So we to go head to head in that marketing is it's expensive, we're not quite there yet. So the alternative is is to do lead generation or outreach to let people know we exist. Right?
Gavin Tye:The difference the difficulty now is with AI and outreach platforms like Meet Alfred or Apollo or what and number, there's millions of them is people are so bombarded now with lead gen outreach that it's almost it's so difficult to get people's attention.
Mitchell Davis:Right?
Gavin Tye:Yep. So but you just got you have to do it and have to find, a way to try to break through the noise and differentiate it. And if you think about there's a there's a scale of what someone goes on before they will engage with you. Right? You have to get their attention.
Gavin Tye:Then you have to build awareness. You have to get them interested and then get them to engage. Right? Most people will go try to get their attention and get them to engage too fast. Hey, Mitch, I can see that you're the founder of six sides.
Gavin Tye:We do we're an agency. Do you wanna we can help you here. Do you wanna have a fifteen minute call that worked ten years ago, five years ago? It doesn't work anymore. So, unless you have a burning need and someone's like, oh, I need to go find someone and you happen to land in their inbox at that right time, it won't work.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. And it doesn't work for me as a as a receiver of those types of messages. I'm like,
Gavin Tye:yep.
Mitchell Davis:Get out of here. No. I don't want a fifteen minute call with you, Randall, that I just just got this spam email from.
Gavin Tye:For sure. And but when you think about if you are in a position to say yes to that and you want that, you are you have attention to a problem. You are aware of it. You are looking to engage with someone. They just happen to find you at the right spot.
Gavin Tye:So you do go through that those four stages, except that company has no impact on those previous ones. Right? So all we're trying to do now is I'm thinking about that in a strategic way. We have to start, and it's not perfect. I'm using your LinkedIn profile to build out a group of people for you to talk to.
Gavin Tye:That has slightly changed. I did build out a list of technical devs to reach out to, technical conferences. But once I created the list and saved the list, I couldn't share it with you. So I just did it. What I did was created a list of associations and then people within their, community builders, and then have reached out.
Gavin Tye:And I'm having some conversations on your behalf in your profile already around that. I made a misstep with one of them, I feel. But it's just all learning. Okay.
Mitchell Davis:What do you wanna
Gavin Tye:Oh, yeah. I just I just felt like I sounded a bit too salesy. Right? Like, I'm happy
Mitchell Davis:with the person that let's not name them, but is this with someone that you said I should reach out to?
Gavin Tye:No. Not that guy.
Mitchell Davis:No. This is someone else. Something that I noticed, is you use, like, dot dot dot as a way to, like, space out a message that I've noticed. I never do that. Okay.
Gavin Tye:If if that's the worst of it, then that's fine. I'm not gonna write like you. I actually got a I actually got a, actually got a response back from that person just as we spoke now.
Mitchell Davis:Oh really?
Gavin Tye:So he said he runs a mobile coffee trailer to run entirely by the youth autistic people. So yeah, it's it's not going down the path that I want to Gotcha. Speak to.
Mitchell Davis:Might not be the right.
Gavin Tye:But, yeah, he might not be the right person, but it's okay. At least we're starting to have lead generation. You're never gonna ever have a 100% success. So that's in motion. And then I'm also running mine in motion.
Gavin Tye:So I've got a conversation coming up with someone who's starting a Java conference Yep. At the end of the year. There's some nuance in there that I don't wanna discuss here. It just feel I'm not quite sure how it'll work. But that's first, that's just trying with low hanging fruit to see if there's someone who happens to be looking.
Gavin Tye:The second one is, is I want to offer value first. So I've talked about, I think I talked about this last week about doing some reports on, on some companies to help them. You did. I started doing that last week, but I quickly learned, I spent a lot of time doing a report for someone and I hadn't established a connection and ability to deliver the report to them. So I did the report, try to find their details.
Gavin Tye:I found them eventually tried to call a guy to let him know it was coming. Cold calling, try to grab their attention, but he, his voicemail said he was overseas. And so I was like, okay, I've called people. And I know when they go overseas, there's a different ringtone on that. It didn't sound like that was it.
Gavin Tye:So I emailed it to him anyway. Haven't had a response. And I've subsequently heard that he doesn't get back to people. And I'm like, hang on a sec. I need to do this a little more.
Gavin Tye:So I'm gonna iterate. I'm iterating on that, but I'll get that working eventually. And that's really it with lead generation is you have to one increase your effort, have consistent effort. Two is improve your skill and threes and targets. There's only three levers that you can pull.
Gavin Tye:So I'm already learning from last week about, okay, hang on. I'll iterate. And you never get it right the first time it's you are very rarely get it correct. It takes a long time to iterate. Right.
Gavin Tye:Cause you're competing against everyone else doing their version of trying to get people's attention. Right? Yeah. So, but we've started now. We've got a couple of conversations.
Gavin Tye:We're relying heavily on conferences to generate leads as well. So Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:It's a part of our growth strategy.
Gavin Tye:So
Mitchell Davis:will be interesting to see you with Denmark right around the corner.
Gavin Tye:We'll get
Mitchell Davis:into that later.
Gavin Tye:I like but I have been unbelievably distracted this week by us setting up our accounts. So you are so lucky to be down in Sydney. Like, because people who know Roman has been on the podcast, he's our accountant. And my wife, Melanie is, also helping out with our accounts.
Mitchell Davis:Yep.
Gavin Tye:But every time I've started, getting some momentum, those two have just stopped me and gone, hey, we need to sort out our chart of accounts or what is that GST on WorkOS? I'm like, I don't fucking know. Like, ask Mitch. She has to be you're you're the you're the co founder. And I'm like, oh my god.
Gavin Tye:I have shielded you from so much this week. But thank you. The result is is our accounting's up to speed like, is set up properly. Right? Our tax is due this time.
Gavin Tye:It's all getting done. So, but I have been distracted doing lead gen for the more quality in-depth stuff, but I I do have a plan for that.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Plan for that now. Yep. Well, why don't we pivot, to the accounting side of things? Absolutely.
Mitchell Davis:It's riveting stuff. So, yeah, Mel reached out yesterday and said, hey, would you mind having a look at this spreadsheet? She just had some questions for me. Some of those were like asking, okay, which of these services charge GST? And I've just basically like over the last five years or or so that I've been doing my own accounting under Atlas and some of my other businesses, I kinda just base it on if they're charging in Australian dollars then it's GST.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Right. Otherwise, it's not. So that just makes it really easy for me to just go, no. Okay.
Mitchell Davis:This is, this is GST or not. Yep. And then, Mel asked me to get some, invoices for her, of, like, some of the different things that we paid for. So I got those. It did make me wonder, okay, is that gonna be a regular thing or is that just an initial setup?
Mitchell Davis:Because if it's gonna be regular where we need to have every invoice from every service that we're using flow into Xero, sounds like a lot of work to be honest. Yeah. And I wonder, like, do we ever look at any of that stuff? Because I've been doing my accounting like this for forever with an actual, like, accountant. So it's not just me, like, just submitting my own stuff at the end of the year.
Mitchell Davis:And they're normally quite happy to just do it based on whatever's been put into Xero, you know?
Gavin Tye:So I I think she's doing it to set up GS to make sure we got GST sorted. Right? Yeah. I think that's what it is.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yep. But the actually, like, keeping the PDFs and stuff in Xero, I think that's fine initially to have like a, hey, okay. This is what a WorkOS invoice looks like or whatever, but then I don't think we need everyone forevermore. But anyway, we'll see.
Mitchell Davis:I'm very yeah. To be clear, Mel, if you are listening, I'm very grateful that you are helping us out. So please don't take any of this the wrong way.
Gavin Tye:But she's also taking guidance from, Roman on what to do. Right? So she so the short answer is, is I don't don't know. Yep. But this also brought up another thing.
Gavin Tye:You had another call earlier in the week. And one of the things that I'm really conscious of is you are in Sydney and Mel's here. And I was saying to Mel, I was like, you gotta form your relationship with Mitch away from me. Right? And and just, we don't want you like, it's our business and Mel's working for us.
Gavin Tye:And I'd we need to make sure that that's the way it stays as well. Right? So, yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. Because, yeah. Yeah. It was good. It was great getting on the phone.
Mitchell Davis:So Mel called me and, I was busy, but I, I didn't, pick up the call because I didn't know I didn't have her number. Right? And then, she sends me a text, I was like, oh, right. Okay. Right.
Mitchell Davis:I gotta I gotta come back to you. So I called her. And then, yeah, she said, okay. I'll send through some stuff. And it was funny.
Mitchell Davis:She was she was like, I'm not doing anything dodgy. You'll be able to see all of it. I'm like, yeah, know. I trust you. Like, it's fine.
Mitchell Davis:It's all good. She was just like establishing what was what was gonna happen. And it was great. So I'm I'm very grateful.
Gavin Tye:Yep. But I I also think yes, trust, but I also think we need to be able to have our checks and balances regardless. Right? So and whatever they decide, like whatever Roman Roman's an adviser to, if we feel like we don't need to do what he says, then that's fine as well. But I laying the foundations here is really important for, so we don't have to worry about it.
Gavin Tye:Right? Yeah. For the you know, it's just off our plate.
Mitchell Davis:So yeah.
Gavin Tye:And that's always getting this stuff is always an afterthought for me just because we're trying to keep the lights on. So yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. That's right. There's always more important stuff to do, you know? Mhmm. Anyway, it's good.
Mitchell Davis:It feels like, okay, now things are settled, so sounds like you have shielded me from a lot of that, so thank you. But Yeah. Yeah, mate. Yeah. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Anyway alright. Why don't we get into the big subject this week? So we, have gone through over now two different meetings, have gone through and kind of written down and cataloged our vision, mission, and our values. And I think vision and mission, a bit of a tongue twister if you say them quickly. I was struggling earlier.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Why don't you define what they are? Do you still have that handy?
Mitchell Davis:I do. So because it wasn't immediately clear to me what those were. I get the idea, but a specific definition. So I've got here the vision is where you're going. The mission is what you're doing now to get there and the values are how you operate along the way.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. So we kind of took that and then we workshopped it together over these two, meetings that we've had on this. Yep. And we've settled on something. Do you wanna walk us
Gavin Tye:through? Yeah. So I I guess before that, why is this, I guess I'm the one that said it, but do you know, like, what why is this important for our like, yeah, what give some context around that.
Mitchell Davis:So, yeah, this was your idea. It's always something that, like, I've kind of thought, oh, yeah, we should have like a mission statement or something like that and like even in other businesses that I've been involved in, but I've never actually sat down to do it. Mhmm. So I think this is important especially when we've got two people, you and I are different. We have different ideas on things.
Mitchell Davis:It's great to have, like, some alignment here of this is what we actually are trying to achieve with this business, not just for us personally, but for our customers and for our indirect, customers, I think you called them in the grant. So it's really like, it's good to know, okay, this is what we're here for. Think one for us, but two for customers as well, to be able to see that it's kind of something that we can wear proudly on our sleeves, you know, like, this is what we're here and what we're trying to do. And then our actions should reflect that we are following these, you know, this vision, the mission and the values.
Gavin Tye:I'd seen this in many businesses that I've been in before. Right. Or you sit down and you update your, your mission and your vision and all that kind of stuff. And I've always thought that it was, Oh yeah. And I never, I'd always thought it was interesting, but never really understood the impact behind it or the reason behind it.
Gavin Tye:It was just a task that we, that we were required to do. But I think now that we're more particularly in our situation where we're remote, right? You're down in Sydney and I'm up here in Queensland and we will probably be hiring remote in time, like to a degree. I think stating the vision and the mission and the values is really important because it aligns people when we're not in the same environment. When, when you're working in the same office, you there's an implicit or unspoken vision and mission, you can see it by, demonstrating action.
Gavin Tye:Right. But when we're only catching up one or two hours, one hour a day, maybe a couple of hours or three or four hours a week that can easily get it, get diluted or not eroded, I think. And I think it's more important now than ever. And that's why I've, yeah, that's I've kind of pushed for this.
Mitchell Davis:I think it's true for this.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Cause it ties into our, how we talk to customers and, you know, my thoughts are, if we say that's our vision where our first, our vision is, which is what we stated is help associations and event organizers create events that spark meaningful connection, strengthen communities, and deliver lasting impact. If a company has that as their drivers, then we're kind of aligning at the top level. Right? And like, oh, hang on a sec.
Gavin Tye:They seem to be aligned in what we're doing. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Opposed to, hey, we just wanna make money, which was your original vision.
Mitchell Davis:No. And then you corrected me that, no, that's a goal.
Gavin Tye:That's a goal.
Mitchell Davis:So yes. I still stand by it. I do wanna make money.
Gavin Tye:Of course. Everyone wants to make money. Yeah. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:It's a goal. It's not a vision.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yeah. That's right. But your personal vision maybe, but not not this. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Maybe. And so then I guess we get into the mission. So the mission is what we're doing to, get towards the vision. And your mission can change over time.
Mitchell Davis:You kind of, instructed me on this earlier. So the vision hopefully won't change. That's what we have set as our goal. Yep. But the mission so what we're doing right now is equipping organizers with the tools, insights, processes to connect every side of their event community before, during, and after each event, ensuring measurable value for all.
Mitchell Davis:So that sounds right. You think about everything that we've talked about over the last, you know, six months on the show. It sounds right. That's what we're doing. So we have built a bunch of tools, a lot of functionality into the app and what will become the the dashboard.
Mitchell Davis:Like, our system has a lot of ways to help people connect, which is great.
Gavin Tye:Yep.
Mitchell Davis:But we're also going to be able to measure all of that and report it back because we know a lot of these associations, that's some of the type of reporting that they need to do is to demonstrate the value that was created during the event that they threw. Right? So
Gavin Tye:Yep. And and when you think about most event apps or event platforms are just excuse me, for the event. Right? Two, three, four days, whatever that is. It's one of the biggest bugbears about not being able to track measurable value after the event.
Gavin Tye:Right? Yep. And so that's one of the things that we're trying to do. Our mission is to change that. That's always been that's been an unstated mission.
Gavin Tye:I think that wraps that up really nicely. Right? And, and, you know, giving them the tools to connect, yeah, and processes to connect every site, of the event community. I think it's really aligns perfectly with what we're trying to achieve.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yep. Yep. Absolutely. So now we get into values.
Gavin Tye:Yep. Oh, just before that, if that resonates with anyone, please leave us a review.
Mitchell Davis:Well, reach reach out instead. If you're our target customer and this sounds right by you, don't just leave us a review. Reach out to Gavin, and let's, let's have a conversation. So let's get into the values. We got five of them here, so maybe I'll just kind of blast through them.
Mitchell Davis:So to be clear, values are how we operate along the way. Yep. So, we maximize engagement, breaking down barriers, so more people connect and participate at an event. We deliver proven ROI, capture and measure the outcomes that matter to the event and their sponsors. We grow the community beyond the event, keeping the community active and connected year round.
Mitchell Davis:We streamline the workflow. So one platform to manage all of the people involved, the content, and to have the engagement data. Final point, tell your story. So capture and share your community's moments to raise awareness and achieve their goals and purpose. Mate, that
Gavin Tye:is so deep. Well said, Dan.
Mitchell Davis:I think we've absolutely nailed it. That's a pat on the back.
Gavin Tye:It is. It is. I think the first one, maximize engagement, break down the barriers so peep more people connect and participate. When you first showed me when it was event kit back in November, I think last year. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Dying is it's on your shirt today.
Mitchell Davis:I brought it in for this reason. So, yes.
Gavin Tye:The when you showed me that, that was the core of what I thought was really interesting about what you built. It it's essentially if you can breaking down those barriers so more people connecting participate is the first fundamental step in everything else being possible.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. Yep. Absolutely. That's what it was built for was well, one to make a a good, talk at a conference, but it became way more than that. Once I realized like, oh, okay.
Mitchell Davis:I don't want this thing to just be a schedule and a list of speakers. Like, that's that's a website. That's not a that doesn't need to be an app. But being then able to think about it over months and go, okay, how can I make this like the best conference? Yep.
Mitchell Davis:You know? And I wasn't organizing the whole event but how could I what could I do with the app to make this thing as good as possible? And it seemed to resonate. So yep. Yep.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. It's, it's great. I love that that's our first value is maximizing engagement for people.
Gavin Tye:Oh, I was at an event last night and, I was just standing now. I'm just standing in a corner watching people. Right. I just wanna see how they
Mitchell Davis:it's a bit weird.
Gavin Tye:It's a bit weird. I wasn't invited.
Mitchell Davis:You weren't even inside. You were out the window just watching.
Gavin Tye:And when I say an event, it was just neighbors eating dinner. Oh shit. So I, I knocked on the door and see if they wonder your six sides. They said no, no,
Mitchell Davis:they turned you down. They called the police.
Gavin Tye:So I was at a startup event last night and, just watching people connect. There's so many connections. There were so many connections going on and so many people talking and, there was just no way for them to carry on after the event. Right? Like and even they they had a question, a q and a for it was a pitch night.
Gavin Tye:And so they had a q and a for these sponsors, but there was no way for the so not sponsors, the, speakers or the the cohort it was going through. But there was no way for them, the cohort, the the speakers or the pitchers to continue on the conversation after or or see what was actually asked of them. Right? It was just very one dimensional in the moment. Right?
Gavin Tye:And I was like, we have such an impact here. Right?
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Now is this that event that, the organizer wanted us to have the app ready to go for? Is it that? Yeah. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Okay. She's going overseas. How did that conversation go?
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Good. She said, how's it going? I said, yeah, it'll be ready by, she's going to South America for three months, like next week. And the next one's in January next year.
Gavin Tye:And I'm like, yeah, we'll be ready by then for sure. And she's like, great. We started, I told her our vision for going forward, and she was like, that's what you're already gonna do, isn't it? And I was like, yes, but slightly differently. She's like, yeah.
Gavin Tye:That that's brilliant.
Mitchell Davis:But Yeah.
Gavin Tye:I thought you're doing that already. And I'm like, yeah. Okay. Good.
Mitchell Davis:It's good. It's funny because there's we've had so many conversations with different people and testing different ideas and things like that over the last six, seven months. It's funny because there's so many different stories that we've told and different things that we've tested with people. It's a little I can imagine it's a little hard to kinda keep track of, you know, all those different conversations, things like that.
Gavin Tye:There were three Hollies in our world.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Nuts. And lucky I've I haven't met Holly from volunteering, but I've met the others in person and I can they're all blonde. They're all but I can remember, I can imagine them all, but there can't be five or six of them. I like would lose track.
Gavin Tye:Right? They're all very different parts of the community. So
Mitchell Davis:That's the limit. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Yep. But mate, I think this is really, this is really interesting. Like, this will form part of how we talk about the platform. Right? I think this should go into form part of our thirty second pitch, which we haven't done, which we should put on our thing to do next week.
Mitchell Davis:We haven't done. Alright. I'll put it in
Gavin Tye:there now. Yep. You're gonna hear it first thing.
Mitchell Davis:Well Yeah. In the first five minutes of next episode. Sure. Alright. Yep.
Mitchell Davis:Thirty second pitch. Alright. It's in there, folks. Hold us accountable. Yep.
Mitchell Davis:Get us up. Journey. That's exciting. Cool. Well, on the subject of speaking with people, very rough segue.
Mitchell Davis:Sorry. We ran our hypothesis which we're not going to share exactly what it is just yet but it's some way that we're thinking about growth. We ran that past two of our current customers. So we spoke with last week we kind of talked about that we had a meeting coming up with Denmark later that day when we did the recording. We had that meeting, it went really well And we ran this idea of how we can help them grow their community, and it went really well.
Mitchell Davis:So that was great. We spoke with Rasmus and Matthias, at the Laravel Live Denmark team, went really well. And then on Wednesday this week, just a couple days ago, we spoke with Michael Dorinda, on the LaraCon AU team, and, that also went really well. It seemed to resonate with him probably a little more strongly with Denmark than it did with Michael. But I think that's just kind of a byproduct of the fact that Michael's Michael runs his event probably a little differently to most event organizers because he's been doing it for
Gavin Tye:a long time.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. You're well, that, and he's a very competent, developer and can build, his own things. Like, he's he's doing a lot of DIY stuff. And to be clear, I think the Denmark guys are competent too. It's not a competition, but just he he's really like heavily invested in some things, that he wants to do on on his own.
Mitchell Davis:So Yep. Anyway but the the feedback from both camps has been really positive. So, I am interested when the time comes to, for you basically to have the conversation with Holly at volunteering WA and then just get some feedback there. And then also with anyone else, any other prospects that, are on the radar and just have a chat with them about it. So I sent her a
Gavin Tye:message yesterday. Earlier in the week I saw that she was, liking a, she liked one of our posts. So, yeah, so I'd I did reach out to her and said, babe, when you're ready, let's have a conversation. So she probably she'll come back when she's ready.
Mitchell Davis:So cool. Alright. Well, shout out to Holly. She keeps getting these shout outs.
Gavin Tye:Yep. Now we had a conversation, also last Friday with, with, Denmark. Just an update. We're in the process of configuring the platform for that conference, and everything's going really well. They're really happy with your your support and your responsiveness, so that's given them confidence as well.
Gavin Tye:We are getting down to the wire.
Mitchell Davis:We are. Yeah. So at the time that we record, we're now less than a week away from the event happening. And, the iOS app is up and live. No problems.
Mitchell Davis:We even we got an update out based on all the feedback that Rasmus gave us Rasmus gave us last week, and I was able to work on that over the weekend. I actually had a a really late night. I was up working till 12:30AM on I think it was Sunday night. Maybe it was Monday night. I'm not quite sure.
Mitchell Davis:But one of those nights, it's all a blur, up working super late to get some of these updates done because I just wanted to have it up and submitted and kind of off my plate. And crazy thing, I think, like an amazing thing, I put the app up for review with Apple and and Google at this 12:30AM, let's call it. I went and had a shower. Oh, sorry. I put it up for the expedited review as well, which is this extra special thing.
Mitchell Davis:You put your app up for review with Apple and then you can raise, like, effectively a support ticket to say, like, hey. We really need this reviewed as soon as possible. I went and had a shower. By the time I got out of the shower, the app was live in the App Store.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Oh, it's a shower. Jeez.
Mitchell Davis:It was a six hour shower. I didn't wanna bring that up. Yeah. It was it was a fifteen minute shower, so they got it completed in that time Yep. Which was just incredible and felt like, wow, Google is really far behind when it comes to this stuff.
Mitchell Davis:So now I can give you an update on Android. For whatever reason, I haven't been able to figure it out. They weren't able to the Android reviewers, the Google reviewers weren't able to log in to the app with the initial, release that we did now, like, two weeks ago, I think. And so and we didn't find that out until a week later when they did the first review. So then they flag it and go, nope, it's rejected, you've got to resubmit a build with the right credentials.
Mitchell Davis:I go on, I'm able to log in just fine so I've I've pushed it back to them but I then also took some of these updates that Rasmus had suggested and some other things that we wanted to get in place and so put through a new build and that was on let's call that Sunday night, I think it was at this 12:30 mark I submitted to both, Sent I lodged a support ticket with them then when I did it and said, like, this is really important. Can you please review this as urgently as possible? Yep. And then haven't heard anything since. So I last night, also in the shower, actually.
Mitchell Davis:Last night from the shower, I was like, yeah, I better prompt Google because it's just thinking time in the shower, I guess. Better prompt Google and say, like, hey. This is really important. Can you do this? Haven't heard anything.
Mitchell Davis:And then right before we started recording today, so now sixteen hours later or something like that, same thing. So I'm just gonna pepper them every day until this is done because it's it's ridiculous. Like Yeah. Why does this only take fifteen minutes with Apple, but it takes two weeks with Google? It's really frustrating.
Gavin Tye:So will you will you put a link to you in the shower in the show notes below?
Mitchell Davis:I won't. No. I'm in charge of the show notes, so that won't be there. So
Gavin Tye:You're finding on on Twitter.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. That's right. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. That's it's it's yeah. Getting down to the like, you know, dead man can't send out their emails to get people to download the app until so we're kinda
Mitchell Davis:it's kinda sucks. Right? It really sucks. And, like, this should not be the case. Two weeks should be more than enough time to get an app approved and Yep.
Mitchell Davis:They're just holding us up and it it makes us look bad. But I can tell you, like, and Denmark, if you happen to be listening, you guys, like, we've done everything we possibly could to get this out the door in time, and it's really frustrating and feels shitty, like, really shitty. So it's few that
Gavin Tye:are just beyond our control. Right? Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:So, like, I still have a ton of hope that this is gonna go out in time. This is exactly what happened last year for LariCon AU where the app was released, like, three days before the event. I'm very confident that this will all get over the line but it's literally out of our hands, we've done everything we possibly could to get Like this I spent so many nights working on this till late and just like trying to get this done in time like I really don't feel like I could have done anymore.
Gavin Tye:So Yeah. So I guess when we do, let's assume that they probably come back to us sometime over the weekend. Yeah. So we will let Denmark know as soon as we get it, get it right. Cause they won't
Mitchell Davis:have to out there.
Gavin Tye:Is there anything else that we need to give them? Is it just that it's
Mitchell Davis:need been approved? Give them like that, the, PDF with the QR codes and stuff like that. So that's still on our list that we gotta do today, but that should be pretty quick. Yep. And I need to get excuse me.
Mitchell Davis:I need to get the download links up on the on our website so they can at least Sure. If they don't wanna use our PDF, they can just send people there. Like, that's fine.
Gavin Tye:So Yep. Okay.
Mitchell Davis:But beyond that, no. I don't I don't think they're waiting on anything else for us. They Razma sent through some more feedback overnight, and I I just had a quick skim through that this morning, but there's no, like, they just want some text changed which now we're able to do really easily, like not even a like an expo over the air update or anything like that. It's just like they're onboarding text when you first log in to the event, they wanna set that up and Rasmus has sent us the whole thing. So, yeah, it's all like we're ready basically.
Mitchell Davis:We are ready to go. From a technology standpoint, we are a 100% ready. It's done. Yep. Sure.
Mitchell Davis:But I have some more configuration to do which I will do probably today or tomorrow. I'll probably do it tomorrow. And then I'll be able to go back to them and say, hey, it's ready as soon as we get word that Android is live, we'll let let them know. And that's literally all we can do. So Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Fair enough.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. So that's Android. On the subject of working a shit ton on this lately, I have noticed that, I've been really burnt out over the last month especially, maybe the last two months. It's been a real slog to get this app up and running and and ready to go. And just this week, like, after the app going through review and now being officially released for iOS, I felt a lot more free.
Mitchell Davis:It feels like, okay. I'm coming out from under this, like, huge weight that was basically just on my shoulders. There was nothing that you could have done to help get the app further along. You know? Like, it's just not the way that it works.
Mitchell Davis:So, yeah, it's it's funny. Like, last night, we went out to, Nicole and Jessica, Nicole's sister. We went out to dinner at a pub near here, and I left work at, like, 05:15 or something like that. And that's the first time that's happened in probably, like, two months.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Right.
Mitchell Davis:Every every day that I've been working, I've left it between six and probably more towards 07:00. Yep. So this was, like, a bit of a like, it was a big moment, you know, to be able to just walk walk out and be like, okay. It's done. Like, all the hard stuff that's been weighing me down with six sides is, like, it's done.
Mitchell Davis:There's some other things that we wanna do and I still like I plan to roll out a couple more little things with an over the air update, before Denmark and and I'll do that and that's fine. I I look forward to it. But to know that like, okay, The the big block of work that's been been weighing me down is done. It was so freeing. So, like, when we got to the pub and I was just like, I could relax a bit.
Mitchell Davis:You know? So That a big moment to just kind of take stock of that and recognize it in, in the moment.
Gavin Tye:I'm glad. I'm glad. Cause I could see that pain in this thought it's watching that happen is we're not being able to have an impact on it. Right. Is, it's difficult to watch.
Gavin Tye:I have a different, you know, you see people when you say, when you start a business, it's, it's, you know, eighty hour weeks for years and years and years. I don't know if I agree with that. Right? I do think you have to work hard and you have to work for a long period of time for not a lot of initial reward. I think that's absolutely true.
Gavin Tye:But I think that's a marathon and not a sprint. Right? If you you could do I think we can all run sprints, but to run a, to run at a 130% for five years, it's gonna affect health and and do lots of things. But back in 02/2019, I was in I was lucky enough to go to Barcelona with a company I worked with, and I got to see Lionel Messi play football soccer or football. Do you know who he is?
Mitchell Davis:I know of him. I don't know. I know he's like an incredibly famous and good soccer player.
Gavin Tye:So, yeah, for those who don't know Lionel Messi, he's one of the best football players of our time. Like, he's he's in his towards his retirement now. I don't follow football too much, but, he is unbelievable, like thousands of goals that he scored. Anyway, I watched him play in a champion league a champions league game, which is the best of the best we're playing in this game. And I thought him being of the caliber that he could play that he he's known for and he scored, he would be running around the field all the time.
Gavin Tye:And when I watched him, he'd never run at all. Like, he was just so taking it easy and he would run for the final 10 meters and outpace everyone and score a goal. Like, would he scored five goals in that night, one of the best things that I've ever seen. Yeah. And then it made me rethink, like, effort in business.
Gavin Tye:And I thought we the messy effect. We're we're built on the messy effect. We run it 70% of the time when we need to, but when we need to sprint hard, we sprint hard for short periods of time, but then we need to back off a bit. Otherwise we'll we'll fuck out. Right?
Gavin Tye:And you've just had a big sprint. And to sustain it, go back to your 70%. It's how people train for marathons and Ironman. Right? You do zone two training.
Gavin Tye:Like, you work at zone two consistently, like 70% of your heart rate. If you do that over and over and over again, you'll you'll beat people who sprint for periods of time and then stop. Right? Yeah. And I think that's what we do.
Gavin Tye:Like, feel myself sometimes and I just go, I'm just not feeling it today or I'm feeling and I just sometimes I'll just go and have a day where I'm I'm here and I do what I need to do with clients or whatever, but I just got I just need a day. Like, I'm really, really conscious about keeping my, self stable. Yeah. You just can't fucking do anything about it and you gotta, you gotta deal with it. But at the end, you gotta equalize out a little bit.
Mitchell Davis:So, yeah. It's like, like, sleep deficit type of a thing, you know? Yeah. You gotta have a catch up. So
Gavin Tye:yeah, that's right. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. It felt good to have some catch up. And so I hope to not do much work this weekend. Like honestly working on weekends doesn't, it really doesn't bum me out. I don't like just kinda sitting around with nothing to do.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. Maybe that's a sign. Okay. I should find more stuff to do. But it has just become my norm that, yeah, okay.
Mitchell Davis:I do I normally will do a bit of work on the weekend. Like, working for yourself, especially with my primary job being an agency, like, there's not I'm just always kind of working. There's always stuff to do. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:And and you being like, you working on the weekends now when you've got no other commitments is absolutely not fill your boots. Yeah. That's I tell you it's gonna change
Mitchell Davis:a couple
Gavin Tye:of times.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. A 100%. And yeah.
Mitchell Davis:That's yeah. With family and stuff, that's totally fine. So you're right. But, it's nice to not have to work on the weekend.
Gavin Tye:A 100%.
Mitchell Davis:You know? Yeah. So that's what this that's like a big unlock that has just happened here.
Gavin Tye:Yep. And it's some since, absolut I agree with you and I'm could not, I wouldn't be doing the businesses justice if I was to just to do your, start at nine, which is when you're typically ish start. Right. And then finish at 04:00. Cause I wanna, I kind of start, I finish later in the earlier in the afternoon than you, but sort of compensate from that, like I'm up at four in the morning, like, and by the time you get to work at nine, I've knocked out five hours worth of work.
Gavin Tye:Right. And then I start fading out a little bit towards lunch, but I, I still, but that's taken a long time to be able to get to that point. Like I doing that 04:00 every morning, it was just killer. It's still, it was, I've been okay this week. Cause I've got up my, I'm starting to wake up at 04:00 now without the alarm going on, going off.
Gavin Tye:But even then I feel like, no, no, I need to sleep in today. So I'm, I'm a bit relaxed on it, but I definitely, try to stay mentally what's, what's comfortable in my mind as well. Right. I can't handle on, I can't work in high periods or long periods of stress.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. So, yeah. Yeah. Well, on, on that subject, you've been doing, YouTube videos lately, daily YouTube videos. Yep.
Mitchell Davis:And I'll put a link to, this episode where you've just talked about getting up at 4AM, and it seems to be resonating with people. It's one of your more popular videos lately. Right? So quite interesting how you you go through it. I've I've been watching each of them each day, you know, when I hop into bed basically, and it's just like, don't make it weird.
Mitchell Davis:And it's like,
Gavin Tye:you guys wait. Having two showers and then hopping into bed. It's not me.
Mitchell Davis:You gaslit me to kind of
Gavin Tye:You just gaslit me there. No?
Mitchell Davis:I don't think I did. It's a nice way to kind of check-in on, oh, okay. What are you up to? Because you do, you know, kind of half the videos you're normally kind of talking about six sides. So it's kinda nice to hear what you're doing there in this business, but then also what you're doing in Deal Buddy as well.
Gavin Tye:You make a big you make a big appearance in my video today, actually.
Mitchell Davis:Oh, today's one?
Gavin Tye:Yeah. So I just that's I was recording it before we caught up today. So it's actually I'm doing the pros and cons of working with an agency and having a technical cofounder. So yeah. And Excellent.
Gavin Tye:Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:So forward to watching it tonight when I go to bed after my after my second shower.
Gavin Tye:So In the watching the shower. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:We'll see. Yeah. Cool. Okay. Well, I it is interesting.
Mitchell Davis:So if you like listening to Gavin, then you can have all Gavin all the time, on his YouTube channel. So Yeah. Sounds like it. Suss it out. Would you
Gavin Tye:why would you say no? Like, to be honest, when you put it like that, but you're in the wrong area. You should be in sales.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. That's right. So our final topic for this episode is, you remember before I went to Bali, we had this long spiel for, like, a week or two, going through writing blog articles on our 6sides.co website. Yep. You remember that?
Gavin Tye:And I didn't do anything.
Mitchell Davis:And how you you pushed me so hard to get the the blog article writing system up to date and ready to go before I went on my Bali trip. And, how many articles got written during that time?
Gavin Tye:I don't there's a technical issue.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Right.
Gavin Tye:Mainly mainly with the with my brain. I just it's was down it's on my list on my Trello board, but I just haven't got to it. I apologize. Yep.
Mitchell Davis:No. No. No. To be clear, it's fine. But I then, this week, I was like, I think we need to get some articles up.
Mitchell Davis:So, what I've started doing, and I think it's fine if we share exactly what we're doing. There's no harm in it. What I've been doing, I've talked about maybe last week I think about how we edit this podcast and come up with the show notes and links and blah blah blah, all this sort of stuff, I kind of walked through it a little. But it does involve a custom GPT that I've written which kind of knows our process, knows who we are, da da da da da. So I give it a transcript of every episode.
Mitchell Davis:I get that out of Riverside and then it'll basically spit out show notes and, like, a list of 20 titles we might want and da da da da. That's worked really well for six months now. But what I changed literally, Wednesday night, I think, so it's very recent. I was like, right. We need to start indexing on Google for some of this stuff.
Mitchell Davis:We need to get some SEO happening. Let's get some content out of these podcasts because it's really low effort. Like, you and I just get on and we just talk and I feel like it makes for decent audio, you know, and hopefully if you're listening to this, agree, but it's not like we're having to prep for six hours to then record a one hour conversation. Right? Yep.
Mitchell Davis:It it flows really easily. So we've already got the transcript. Let's generate some content. So I've updated that GPT that I've written to do this. So now after I give it the transcript and it gives me the show notes and titles, whatever, it then also gives like, hey.
Mitchell Davis:These are maybe 20 different blog article titles that you might consider, putting up on the site. So, I started doing that, and I've now kind of backdated some of our recent episodes. So I went through and did one from Roman, I think that was episode 21. I've done I did one about the Grant writing and that I sent that to you. It's kind of like a guide to writing grant articles grant submissions.
Mitchell Davis:And it went really well. You were like, mate, this is fantastic and it doesn't feel like it's written by ChatGPT because it's based on our content. It's not just like pulling random crap.
Gavin Tye:Editing, not creating.
Mitchell Davis:Right? Exactly. Yeah. So So that's really important.
Gavin Tye:I sorry to jump in. Think that's really important. Otherwise, you know, it's not original. It's not evergreen. Right?
Gavin Tye:It's which way I people are just creating so much stuff. I won't say shit, but there is so much shit out there. But I think it's got to stem from evergreen or original pillar content. Right? Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Otherwise, we'll be rep like, what's the point?
Mitchell Davis:So Yeah. Yeah. It's then just like fake articles that are, you know, bullshit. So this has proved to be really powerful. And now I can like, already to edit this episode that we're recording right now is gonna take me less than twenty minutes to have everything done.
Mitchell Davis:And now with probably another ten minutes of work, this can turn into one or two articles Sure. That can just instantly go up on the blog, publish them when this episode is released. So starting to get the flywheel happening for coming out with more content with less work. Right? Sure.
Mitchell Davis:So this morning we sat down before we recorded. We went through how it works, and then we're thinking that I'm gonna spearhead this part of our content that we're gonna create, blog articles and stuff. So I'll mostly do stuff that relates to the podcast and then, of course, anything really technical. Like, I put up an article on CloudPlayer's durable objects, and it was based on the conversation that we had like couple episodes ago. But, yeah, I've put that up and that's from my way of phrasing things and my perspective.
Mitchell Davis:And then you're largely going to go after, the event organizers, that audience. So writing content that appeals hopefully to that market. Sure. So
Gavin Tye:so with that, do we have, traffic? Like, are we monitoring traffic coming to the site so we
Mitchell Davis:can see we were, but then I logged into Fathom Analytics and I couldn't find it. So maybe we're not. So that's something that I'll look at before next episode. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:And can you tell if we're getting pulled? Because I know GPT is pulling information from sites. Can you tell if stuff's being pulled?
Mitchell Davis:I think you can only oh, like, if if ChatGPT is, like, indexing our content. I think Cloudflare has some stuff in that space now to be able to kind of see that and and actually block it and make websites pay for it. We wouldn't wanna do that. We wouldn't wanna that. On on there, but that's more for, like, news articles and stuff.
Mitchell Davis:But Yep. So it's a good question. I'll have to have a look. I doubt that we're on the radar because, like, even if you Google six sides, we hardly come up at the moment. So I'm not quite sure what's what's going on.
Gavin Tye:Oh, it come up the other day. It was indexed with our logo.
Mitchell Davis:Was it? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. If I search six sides, it does we come up as the top one.
Mitchell Davis:So that's Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. But that might be 6sides.com.
Mitchell Davis:If you search oh, really? Abovethe.com. We don't need it. Fuck them. Bloody pricks.
Mitchell Davis:One of
Gavin Tye:those faces. Interior design tech.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Right. Don't know. Anyway so look. This is don't know.
Gavin Tye:It's six odds.
Mitchell Davis:Six ides.
Gavin Tye:Right. Gotcha.
Mitchell Davis:That's how they get you, mate.
Gavin Tye:I once bought who this is dating myself a little bit, but back in the day before DVDs and all this stuff, Netflix, they used to be video recorders. Right? Yeah. I once bought a Panasonic video recorder and I had it for years. And then years later I was watching, looking at a catalog and it said, oh, Palsonic.
Gavin Tye:So I was like, what kind of fool falls for that? And I was like, hang on a sec. Just mind, know I had a Palsonic for so many years. Yep. Anyway.
Mitchell Davis:That's alright. I think Panasonic, rings
Gavin Tye:a bell for me as well. We Yep.
Mitchell Davis:You're not the only one. But Yep. Anyway, look, this is a part of the the strategy. It's just what we're doing for now with these blog articles. It's working really well.
Mitchell Davis:Like, I think the articles that we've put up now, I think there's five now, look
Gavin Tye:Yep. Pretty good.
Mitchell Davis:It's generating the cover art as well. So, look, if you're out there and this is something that you're doing, it's certainly an interesting strategy to have it Sure. Edit, not create. So Yep. It's proving pretty powerful for us.
Gavin Tye:So there's platforms like Leadfeeder, and I'm just looking at Snitcher's one that's come up at the moment where they can actually tell you who's looking at your website, like what companies are looking at your website.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Which something I'd be interested in for sure.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Because you wanna see sometimes what happens is with lead generation, they don't necessarily come back to you, but they'll go to your website and you can see what they've looked at. You go, oh, at least they're getting the message. Right? And then you can see them pop up.
Gavin Tye:It's actually not a bad so GTM teams use Stitcher to identify enrich and engage visitors moment, the moment they land.
Mitchell Davis:Are they like incredibly expensive though? That sounds very valuable.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Now Stitcher Stitcher's free trial before you two, two, two weeks access. One is $69 a month up
Mitchell Davis:to 50 companies. Thought you were gonna say it's free for two weeks and then it's call us for the enterprise plan.
Gavin Tye:No, no, no, no. Then lead feeder is free for seven days of data.
Mitchell Davis:Right. Okay.
Gavin Tye:So we'd have to review weekly. Oh, that's okay.
Mitchell Davis:It can be a part of the, your standard sales cycle work. Yeah. So
Gavin Tye:it might be worthwhile just looking at leadfeeder,um,.com and it it's free. Just put it on there and just have a look. Other than that, it goes to $99 a month pounds, I think.
Mitchell Davis:Pounds. Okay. It gets defensive
Gavin Tye:after a bit, but I'm sure that's just two that I've seen in the searches. Right. I'm sure there's there'd be way more of them.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. Gotcha.
Gavin Tye:All right.
Mitchell Davis:Well, why don't we also try and set that up for next week? I'll add a few things on my list. Well, good. Why don't we wrap up the show there then? So why don't we
Gavin Tye:wrap up
Mitchell Davis:the show? Yeah. Well, let let me just wrap it up then.
Gavin Tye:So Alright. Consider it wrapping up. We're moving into the wrapping up phase, everybody.
Mitchell Davis:This is we've entered the wrapping up phase. That's right. So, look, we'd love if you would leave us a review and a rating. We didn't actually check after I made a song and a dance about it at the start of last week. So my apologies.
Mitchell Davis:If you did leave us one, thank you. We'll check it out for next week, I'm sure. But I'd love if you would leave us one. And Did I tell
Gavin Tye:you as a rapper back in the day?
Mitchell Davis:No.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. At Christmas, I would work for Grace Brothers and wrap people's presents. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:So not the Boom. Boom.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yeah. Boom. Boom.
Mitchell Davis:I'm so glad. Yeah. I'm so glad you snuck that in.
Gavin Tye:Feel free to edit that one out or put it in as a short. Yep. Yep.
Mitchell Davis:Anyway. Alright. You can find me online, Mitch Dev, on Twitter and Blue Sky and GitHub and LinkedIn and YouTube. Yep. Where can people find you, mate?
Gavin Tye:Mainly on LinkedIn, Gavin Ty, Gavin, yeah, t y e, and also on LinkedIn. No. Sorry. Also on YouTube.
Mitchell Davis:Oh my god.
Gavin Tye:I'm not sure.
Mitchell Davis:We really finished from the day for you, isn't it? You've been up since yeah. Very early. On YouTube. You can find Gavin on YouTube, and it's good.
Mitchell Davis:I encourage you to go check it out.
Gavin Tye:It's not great, but every Oh, he's working on it. Yeah. It's one step closer.
Mitchell Davis:I'll let you know when it's great. Alright? I'll we'll come back. I'll I'll keep you posted.
Gavin Tye:Alright. Thanks.
Mitchell Davis:Check us out, and head to 6sides.co. If you're interested in what we're doing, check out all the blog articles, the podcast. It's all up there. You know? We're doing it all year.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. We will catch you all next week when by then Denmark will already be underway. So that will be exciting. Yes. So by the time we record on Friday morning next week, Denmark will be in day two,
Gavin Tye:I think. Tired, mate. You'll be tired.
Mitchell Davis:I will be. I'm gonna be it's gonna be a different time zone, so I might be we might have to maybe we move the recording actually. No. The The audience deserves for you to say, you won't have to be up till freaking 6AM or something like that. Whatever it
Gavin Tye:deserves to look under the hood.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Okay. You might have to carry that episode. We'll see. Anyway, alright.
Mitchell Davis:We will catch you all then. Have a good week.
Gavin Tye:Bye.
Mitchell Davis:Bye.