Hey. I'm Mitchell Davis, a Laravel developer.
Gavin Tye:Hi. I'm Gavin Tye, sales and marketing, I think. Yep.
Mitchell Davis:That's it. We are building sixsides.co. It's an events platform that helps you build a stronger community through events, and this is our b to b SaaS journey. How are you, mate?
Gavin Tye:Good. Good. Mate, how are you going? It's a massive week last week for you up at Lara Connoy. You?
Mitchell Davis:I'm tired. I'm so tired, and I still haven't had a coffee yet, and it's 09:30. And I'm like, I gotta bring up the energy, for the recording because I'm I'm crashing hard. I'm, like, ecstatic about how everything went last week. It was amazing.
Mitchell Davis:I had such a great time. I got to meet you and your family in person. I'd I'd already met you in person, but you know what I mean. I got to spend time with your family, and that was fantastic. And then, yeah, getting to see a bunch of old friends and make some new ones over the three, two and a half days at LaraCon AU.
Mitchell Davis:It's just fantastic. Things went really well with the app. We'll we'll get into some numbers and and stuff, but, mate, it was just awesome. What did you think?
Gavin Tye:Yeah. It was good. First and foremost, I think we did a really rush recording last week because it we had technical difficulty, and then we went and catch up with my family. How was it having dinner with Mel and the kids? Like,
Mitchell Davis:great. Yeah? Yeah. Loved it. It was awesome.
Mitchell Davis:It's really nice. It just felt felt like we I'd known them for ages, like, was the feeling that I got. So I think it really helped that earlier in the year, like, we had that dinner on a Zoom call, and then, every now and then, like, your kids will pop into the room and say, hey, when you were you and I were on a planning call or whatever. So, yeah, like, it was it was great. It was, it was really fun.
Mitchell Davis:And dinner, the only bad side was we we got inundated with mozzies at one point. So we had to we were at a pub and and, yeah, we had to go from outside to inside, and that was it. That that was the worst thing that happened. So everything else was just awesome. It was a great time.
Gavin Tye:And we had Mel's counseling session. So
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. That's right. Yeah. So we we it was funny the way Mel asked me. Was like, so are you someone who likes to drink on weeknights or something?
Mitchell Davis:And I was like, what? Do I look like that? That's the the vibe that I'm giving off. But, she what she meant was, hey. Do you wanna just we'll go back and we'll have a drink?
Mitchell Davis:I was like, yeah. Let's do it. So we did that and, yeah, we I think we got back to your place at, like, 07:30, eight, somewhere around there. And then we were up till eleven something something.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. It was good fun. Good fun. It was the next day, but it was good fun. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. That's right. I was like, oh, I've started this off. And it was it was like that for the next few nights. So it was four nights of just going out and being up late and having a having a few drinks.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Well, my kid the kids loved you. And so they were
Gavin Tye:like, where's Mitch? Like, are you gonna see Mitch? And they were like, every for the rest of the weekend, where's Mitch?
Mitchell Davis:Where's Mitch?
Gavin Tye:So yeah. Anyway, thanks for coming by. So
Mitchell Davis:Thank you for having me.
Gavin Tye:You're up here for LaraCon last week. It was mate, what a great event Michael puts on. There is so many like, as the guy, Skinner said, who I had a conversation with him, he said, there's so many delightful elements of the event. I tell you what, it was like a production style event. Like the UI, the UI of it was fantastic.
Mitchell Davis:The UI?
Gavin Tye:Yeah. User interface of the conference. Like he
Mitchell Davis:yeah. Yeah. I'm not sure that works. But It
Gavin Tye:mate, it does. It was visually appealing. Absolutely.
Mitchell Davis:It was.
Gavin Tye:Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Yes. Was. It's it's beautiful. And, the design team that, he engages there called Lemonade. I think that's also who Jack Skinner is using for PyCon he showed me.
Mitchell Davis:So they did an awesome job, and I think it's improved like, continues to improve year on year. So, yeah, shout out to them. But that video that he did right at the start, to kick things off, that was, like, exceptional. Yeah. Last year's one was great, but this one was just, like, blew it out of the park.
Mitchell Davis:So Yeah. Hopefully, all of that will be up on YouTube soon. Go go check out the LaraCon AU YouTube page. I'm sure it will be up there. Yep.
Mitchell Davis:But, yeah, it was amazing. All the people were awesome. The speakers, I thought they did a great job. And, yeah, for me, the highlight and and for a lot of people because I ended up doing some interviews like we talked about last week. For a lot of people, the main selling point is the community.
Mitchell Davis:So just a really awesome community. Everyone's there for the right reasons. Michael implemented this Pac Man rule, which is like leave a gap open in any circles, you know, when you're having conversations and stuff and try to usher people into that. And so we did that. I saw so many people doing that all through the conference, and so that really helps make, like, a good community vibe.
Gavin Tye:Yep.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. It was great.
Gavin Tye:So it's been we've delivered two conferences in two weeks and it feels like that we were up in the air. So initial initial thoughts over the two, are you feeling of the result of it and the sense of, because we were we were building six sides really in a not a bubble, but with no there was not we weren't didn't have any events. So now we've delivered two in it. How's your sense of feeling about everything?
Mitchell Davis:Well, three, because we've also had WorldShare as well. I know they've wrapped up
Gavin Tye:now, so
Mitchell Davis:we'll Yeah. We'll talk about them too, but that's not a conference. So, really good. I feel like a lot of our hypotheses have been proven true as far as making it easy to connect with people helps put people at ease and gets them in the right headspace to want to Yeah. Go up and and shake hands with people and take a selfie and not just kinda stand there shyly.
Mitchell Davis:You know? So that went really well. The, like, the ice breaking stuff that, you know, we've introduced from last year has shown itself again that that's been really helpful. Some fun things. I didn't actually see anybody use the emojis Okay.
Mitchell Davis:On the talks, but I also wasn't actively looking for it. So I just I didn't happen to notice anybody. And we're still not recording those, like the numbers, so I can't even I can't prove it out with data. But that's an interesting observation. Maybe that's something we could get rid of if it just clutters things up in the UI.
Mitchell Davis:But yeah. I mean, the everything largely worked. So I had only one or two people come up and say that they were having some issues and, like, we were able to get them resolved straight away. To be honest, I don't even remember what what the issues were. So that was awesome.
Mitchell Davis:A lot of feedback from people to say for example, one thing that I got was, like, the ability to select specific photos for the recaps. I had a few people ask me about that, and I said, yes. Absolutely. It's something that we're working on. Yep.
Mitchell Davis:The the ability to reply to questions in the app is a big one. A lot of people wanted that. So I feel like we're on the right track with what you and I have already kind of set as our road map over the next six months, like all the main things people are agreeing with us on. So Yeah. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:It was good. And then I I had one bad experience where I was walking someone through getting into the app, and she was having just an awful time getting through the WorkOS registration, and it wasn't her fault. Like, there was the email verification, that needs to come through to give you, like, a six digit code or whatever. That was very slow. And so it seemed like it wasn't working.
Mitchell Davis:And then she she reregistered, and then the original email came through with the code. So I was just like, some of that stuff I think is out of our control, which sucks and makes me think like, okay. Should we be using WorkOS in this case? Not to throw them under the bus, but just like not having everything under our immediate control makes it really hard to solve for problems like that. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Okay. Because I literally can't. What can I do? Like, contact WorkOS and say, hey. Can you speed up your emails, like, a little?
Mitchell Davis:Like, it's it doesn't work like that. You know? So some of that stuff's a bit tricky, but once she was in the app, it it was in. She was off to the races with it. So and that was no problem.
Mitchell Davis:But yeah. I mean, by the by the it just went really well. So I'm really glad that we had volunteering WA the previous week because we did get through some of the teething issues there, and then that meant that I had basically no teething issues Yeah. At at LariCon AU. Right?
Mitchell Davis:So it was went perfectly.
Gavin Tye:Yep. Yeah. I do think that initial login and I was thinking about it the other day. If people are distracted and they're under time pressures and all that kind of stuff, like when you're, and they're half paying attention to logging in, it's kind of like that people have been drinking. And so it's a good skin.
Gavin Tye:If we can't get someone that's had a couple of drinks, alcoholic drinks into the app, like really easily, then then it's not, it's too complicated. And at the moment is too complicated. Mel said that she would volunteer to practice whenever she's had a cup of drinks when you're ready. She
Mitchell Davis:would Nice of her.
Gavin Tye:My take on the whole thing was I think overall we made people have a better time. Right. We lowered their apprehension of, of saying hello to people. Right. And through the guise of gamification and then everything else was a bonus for the event organizers from that site and the attendees.
Gavin Tye:And I think particularly for our business development and growing the business, I thought that we might get one or two potential opportunities to talk to other people about it, but it is clearly coming out. Well, it's coming out now. There's probably six or seven from both.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Seven from both. Yes. There's a long way to go, but that comes out if people are delighted and having a good time. We haven't even emailed everyone yet. We've got a plan to go back and thank everyone for their support and we hope they had a great time.
Gavin Tye:So maybe more will come out. So, yeah, I think it was, I think it was great. And I think, oh, that's what I wanted to show you while we're on the call there. The, what I was, we went through this together the other, like a cut, like a couple of weeks ago, the, the plateau of latent potential, right. Is a model that I've I've recently come across in atomic habits, a book that I'm reading at the moment.
Mitchell Davis:And
Gavin Tye:this is the basically it's an X, Y graph and it's about what we expect results to be in a business or in habit or whatever, but what they're actually like. And the other day, a couple months ago, we even spoke about, hey, I wanna hit a 300 ks goal for next year. And then halfway through you were like, I just don't think it's gonna happen. Like you you were in the valley of disappointment. Right?
Mitchell Davis:Yeah.
Gavin Tye:And then now we've run our first events, and it's and it's seemingly just gone like that. Like, it's too early to say, but it's definitely there's been a momentum shift just in a in a space of ten days, I think.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yeah. I'll try and put a link to this in the show notes. Pattern of latent potential. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Valid.
Mitchell Davis:I think this really does I completely agree with what this is saying. Mhmm. We'll see, though. Hopefully, what we are experiencing now will be the start of a like an uptick. Right?
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. So fingers crossed that's the case. But, yeah, we we will see. So, yeah, we have had, a lot of great conversations, like business development conversations. We we spoke with some people that run some events themselves, and are interested in using SixSides.
Mitchell Davis:We also had some people that, their clients are people that run events, and, they are looking to put us forward towards them. So to refer us in
Gavin Tye:volunteering WA. Right? Holly?
Mitchell Davis:That's right.
Gavin Tye:It's your referral. So it's a strong they're they they hold weight.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yep. So shout out to Daniel Govignon.
Mitchell Davis:Govignon, I think. So Daniel at hatchet anyway. Thank you very much, Daniel, for that.
Gavin Tye:And I was lucky enough to meet him in person last week the week before. So he was great great to shake his hand and and put a face in the name. And we've actually got a a wrap up call today, a lessons learned call today with, Holly. So Yeah. We're on volunteering WA to find out what her now that dust has settled, her summary of of the event.
Gavin Tye:I'm really looking forward to that. So
Mitchell Davis:Me too. Yeah. I'm very, very interested to hear.
Gavin Tye:Now there were some key lessons that we learned and, and I, I started learning them from, our first founders collective is if we are trying to make habit change, and if you aren't if you aren't prescriptive enough, then people would just continue on what they're doing. It's on the own it's on the it's a responsibility of the event organizer of the person who wants to change to actually drive that change. Yep. And at volunteering WA, we were prescriptive a little bit, and we thought that would be enough to get change where the MC, he went he went out and said, I'll take a photo, but he didn't stop and make them do it. And we thought that that was a big lesson learned.
Gavin Tye:At LaraCon, what happened was Michael got up and actually stopped and said, this is Tag Your It register, Take a photo of the person next to you. And we went from something like, what, 300 to 600 photos in about ten minutes. Yeah. And it didn't crash, which was brilliant. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:It didn't crash. Yep. At no point did we crash despite a few of these. There are a few, like, big influxes where Michael was directing people, hey. Take a photo now.
Gavin Tye:And Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Things like, you know, it we swap seats after the breaks. And so, you know, take a take a photo with your new neighbor and things like that. And, yeah, infrastructure, everything went perfectly as far as I know. It took a while to do all of the facial recognition on those photos, but the system just kept chugging away, and eventually, I think it got to all of them. So Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:It was fantastic. And, yeah, seeing the the difference in, like, the up the uptake in the usage of that, between volunteering WA and then someone being very prescriptive like Michael at LariCon is fantastic. So I think that is what we should be pushing event organizers to do from here on.
Gavin Tye:Yep. There's also part of it is it was a second year event, so they weren't unfamiliar with the the structure and the functionality as well. Right? So Yep. So instead of introducing him to a new concept, we're actually going, no, that's the same from last year plus this.
Gavin Tye:So they were, they were getting used, they were adding onto it. So I actually think it worked too well in some cases. Right? Like we got, we were hoping for a thousand photos in this particular case, we've got sixteen, sixteen hundred over 1,600 photos. And the question asking was way too, was way more successful than we would have thought.
Gavin Tye:So how many there were, like, 300 questions or something over the course of the two days?
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. 302 questions. So it's an average of 13 per talk. Yeah. It's just unreal.
Mitchell Davis:And then Michael was only able to ask two questions per talk. Right? Yeah. Because that that, you know, that takes about a minute or so. For some of the, there there were, like, q and a's with the Laravel team out of, the Asia Pacific region.
Mitchell Davis:So those they got, you know, a lot more questions, and Michael was able to then ask those on stage. But Yeah. For all of the other non, like, panel talks. Yeah. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:The average of 13 or so per talk. So yeah. I mean, that's really good, though. Right? And and there were 1,246 votes on questions.
Mitchell Davis:Wow. So, yeah, there's some, like, some big numbers there. This event like, I'll I'll just read out the numbers then from the top. So 227 attendees in the app, 68% of those enrolled in Tag Your It. There were 37 private notes that were recorded, 302 questions, twelve forty six votes on those questions, 210 profile photos, 1,626 photos in the gallery, 285 recaps.
Mitchell Davis:So more than one per attendee on average, which is great. And then, 5,260 unique connections between those 227 attendees, which is just phenomenal. And final, point, 353 ratings, of which 91% of them were five stars. Wow. So people really liked the things that they were they were voting on.
Mitchell Davis:So there could be some bias there that nobody there wants to put in negative, like, or bad ratings. Right? But 91% being five stars is just awesome. And that was a mix across we didn't run meetings for LariCon AU, so, it was, across people voting on talks Yeah. And also people, adding ratings for attendees as well.
Mitchell Davis:And that's like how we're quantifying, okay, hey. This is a good lead or someone that I wanna follow-up with, etcetera. So Yeah.
Gavin Tye:I think the the question one is really interesting is, like, how do you, as a speaker carry on the conversation post? Like, well, I think an logical next step then is to add a thread in. Right. And then, then even turning a certain thread or a certain question response into a screenshot. They can actually post that on socials or do whatever they want to do with it.
Gavin Tye:So yeah, it's great. And I think when you think about how it was promoted or actually encouraged to stop, Hey, stop, do it, take a photo, upload it, or go into the question and go into the talk and ask a question. People just need to know it's there and given the space to go and actually have a go at it and go, wow, that's brilliant. I actually think it opens up a whole new way of doing conferences, to be honest, where if you did, you know, I sat in one talk about blueprint and it might as well have been in Chinese. I have no idea what it
Mitchell Davis:was. But
Gavin Tye:there was 17 questions on that guy's talk. Right? Imagine you did two thirds of the day of a talk. And then the last third of the day you had people come back out on stage, like in a panel and answer those questions and then carry on the conversation with those talks. Then, then the other one, half the conference is prescriptive and the other one is just on the fly, but you've got content there to, to really add value because people can really dive into certain things.
Gavin Tye:Right. Yeah. But where before they just couldn't do it because they wouldn't have had the content of the question.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yeah. That's right. And and, like, you only get, you know, thirty seconds to answer a given question or something like that. So Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. That I think it is interesting, but we're not running the conferences. It's up to whoever's doing it. Right? To decide.
Gavin Tye:Yes. I agree. But it's also about they just people don't know what they don't know. If there was never that functionality is never there. They need to be educated that they can potentially even extend that.
Gavin Tye:You could extend half their talk by answering questions for the last thirty minutes. Right?
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. That's right.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. So it's a really interesting some unintended consequences that have come out of it that I thought was fantastic. So
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Me too.
Mitchell Davis:And then I guess I did mention last week when I was up there that we would go through some stats from volunteering WA so we can compare those. 232 attendees in the app, so almost exactly the same as LaraCon AU within five attendees. They only had a 20% enrollment rate in Tag Yourit. Yep. 52 private notes, so that was up a bit higher.
Mitchell Davis:62 questions, so an average of three per talk. That might not even be true. They had a lot more. I think that number is wrong, but 62 questions is is accurate. 113 votes on questions, so between one and two votes on each one.
Mitchell Davis:629 photos in the gallery. They created 64 recaps, and they had a 148 ratings of which 68% were five stars. So they weren't as willing to give five stars, I guess, or, you know, or the inverse of that. So it's it's interesting. I think, yeah, a huge part of that is the familiarity of the audience, but I think the biggest part is that, yeah, Michael really was incredibly prescriptive.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yep. So Yep. It was great.
Gavin Tye:It's a good it's a good stat. Like, we haven't done this yet, but over time, look at the stats from event kit last year to, to LaraCon this year using six sides and then see what the change in what the measurable, like where we have the baseline for it. And I think the same thing over the next time, hopefully volunteering WA, they only run it every two years, but the same people will come back as you do the change in stat and then you get better and better and better. So, I think it's the education piece and change of habit. That's the hardest thing to instill.
Mitchell Davis:So Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. And that's I think we should
Mitchell Davis:get some case studies going on the website for like, obviously, we already have one from LaraCon AU last year.
Gavin Tye:Mhmm.
Mitchell Davis:I think we should update that, kind of break it out into its own page. Yep. But then we should also do the same for volunteering WA. Maybe we could also do WorldShare and Founders Collective. Right?
Mitchell Davis:And let's get all of these up there with photos from those events and Yeah. Some stats on there and what worked, maybe what didn't, things like that. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:I think that
Mitchell Davis:would be really interesting for prospective customers.
Gavin Tye:So let's look at let's talk about WorldShare numbers real quick. So to give a summary of if anyone listening, WorldShare is a, a Christian group that was going to Cambodia to do a impact tour, to go and have a look at the country. And there were only, I think seven seven or eight people, in the app. So how many of you have got? One, two yeah.
Gavin Tye:Seven, eight seven people on on the, eight people on the tour. But of those eight people, two there were 272 photos taken. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:That's
Gavin Tye:way more per I think it's up there with way more per ratio of what even volunteering, well, Laricom lost. Right?
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. That's like 30 per, I think so.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yeah. Something like that. And so they used it as a communication tool. They used it as a scheduling tool to keep everyone on track.
Gavin Tye:But we need to I'll call Brett and, today at this week to find out how, how it was to get his feedback. But yeah, that was actually a a bit of a left of center event, and it still worked really well. So
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yep. It's fantastic. And, it's great to see that, you know, the app at least was performing enough even in another continent that, like, you know, we didn't have any issues with that. We did have one weird issue though where Brett wasn't able to get in to the app for some reason, so he had to, like, uninstall it, reinstall it.
Mitchell Davis:You and I were kinda going back and forth. I'm like, well, how can we support Brett while he's over there? And I'm like mid conference trying to figure it out, really struggling hard. And the only thing I could think was to say, okay, maybe try and log out and then log back in, and then that seemed to have worked.
Gavin Tye:No. It it didn't. It just come back on again. So I think it could have been a phone issue to be honest. So, the next day I woke up and then I had a look and he's got photos in there again.
Gavin Tye:So it was like, he just said, oh, it just automatically fixed itself. So it's I don't think it was the start
Mitchell Davis:of fixing.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yeah. But anyway, it is what it is.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. So that was that high that really highlighted to me, like the stress of the business that we have chosen where someone is coming to the app for a specific reason over a one to seven day event, something like that. We don't really have any ability. I can't reach out into someone's phone and figure out exactly what's going wrong with it there and like it felt awful for me to go back to you because you were dealing with Brett, you know, you were messaging or whatever as he's reporting this issue to you and I'm just like, I I don't know what else we can do. We don't have any other magic strings I can pull.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. And so it's just like, this is a problem with mobile apps. It's it's Yeah. It's really hard. When things are going wrong, it's like, woah.
Mitchell Davis:It's hard to try and remotely fix this problem. You know?
Gavin Tye:What do others do? I don't think others try to they don't I can't remember any time when a Facebook or a there's obviously there's billions of users on the platform or somewhere where I've actively reached out and tried to fix something on the phone. I haven't like, I've never known any company that does that. Right?
Mitchell Davis:No. That's right. Like, because it's not you can't do it. Right. But to then just the only answer that I had for you was, okay.
Mitchell Davis:If this doesn't work, the logging out, logging back in doesn't work, then we don't have a solution for him. And that would have meant that's the end of the road for him, like, in the app, you know, maybe until he came back to Australia and tried it on a different phone or something like that. But just, like, that would have been a shocker, but that was it. I had no there was no other alternative. So it's like it it it is a tough environment to be in Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:In mobile apps. Like, it's it's high stakes, high reward. Right? So, yeah, it's a bit tricky, and it was a bit worrying thinking about that. Like, well, if we're not there to support the event and people are having problems with the app, like, we need an alternative.
Mitchell Davis:We need some other way for people to ask us for support. And even then, it's like, well, what do we do? You know? So Yep. I don't have any answers right now.
Mitchell Davis:I'm not leading this anywhere. It's just like this is a concern that we will have because I don't wanna have to go to every event no matter how good it is for us, you know, with business development. I think there should be a time where the app and the system is self sufficient, and we have enough training material out there and things like that that we're not required to go to every event because that sounds like a heck of a lot of work, on us, and that's not really the type of business that I want to run.
Gavin Tye:It's just a business development and it is unbelievably valuable. Right? Like just putting into it. Because we're not there. You weren't there to troubleshoot.
Gavin Tye:You were there. Well, one, you were there to participate, but then you were there as the face of six sides. Right? And even if we're there and like people want to if they're excited and then they're really loving it and then they see the person, then they associate the product with the person and you build rapport. So it's you yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. I agree. I want to have that as a choice though. I don't want it to be required that we have to go to events to support, you know, unless we're getting paid a lot of extra money to do that. Like, I don't want
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Oh, I I don't think we were manage we're able to do that with LaraCon in in Denmark. Like we were able to support. It wasn't ideal. That was our first one.
Gavin Tye:It wasn't ideal. I don't think, I think it's a choice now. Think it's, I think once we figure out this WorkGoS stuff on the front end, I think that's probably the biggest challenge that we've to figure out and everything else will be, as long as we're prescriptive on getting very prescriptive on telling people how to actually reference the best. I think they've taken massive lessons away from how Michael presented that. And if people follow that to the tee, then I think they're in with a great shot.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yep. Yep. So yeah. So look.
Mitchell Davis:It's I think to wrap all of the LaraCon stuff up, it's been awesome. I'm so stoked that we've delivered these events, both of them, and they've gone very well by all accounts. Had so many people with great feedback and coming up and saying great job. And, you know, someone said, oh, wow. Mitch has been busy, you know, since last year with the the LaraCon AU app we did and yeah.
Mitchell Davis:All in all, I'm like, I'm so pleased it's done. Yeah. Both of these are done because there has been a a big weight on the shoulders that's now been removed. But, yeah, it's it's great. So onto the next one.
Gavin Tye:Well, now you're it's gonna be 10 times worse soon, mate. You watch. You're gonna have to build automation. Like, I can see now already. You're like, I've gotta build the dashboards so people can self configure because it's gonna it's gonna go bang bang bang.
Gavin Tye:It's it's and unfortunately, it's yeah.
Mitchell Davis:That's alright. That's a good problem to have. If that means, you know, we 10 x the revenue, I'll be very happy with that. So no no sweat there. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:But the the stress hasn't even been about these events like themselves and the setup required for those. It was like, okay. Is everything stable enough? And I had full confidence that it would be, and it turned out it was. It performed very well even under lots of like lots of people getting in there and using it.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. But it was just having that like having that weight on the shoulders of okay, we got these events coming up. Is everything gonna run smoothly? Have we like, dotted all the i's and crossed the t's? And we have.
Mitchell Davis:So now that same infrastructure will work just as well, for any other events that we have coming up.
Gavin Tye:So So can you take that like, you can go back to those points in time, like, when they did mass uploads into the platform and see what the peak use was of the platform. Can you then theoretically scale that out? Because we're talking to that big opportunity when there's 5,000 attendees. Right? Right?
Gavin Tye:And if they everyone did that, that's 200 to five. That's exponentially way more. Can you then scale that out and run tests to make sure we can handle that?
Mitchell Davis:Theoretically. Yeah. But it is hard to simulate, you know, 5,000 devices doing all of that at once. That's like, okay. We might have to pay a thousand bucks to get some platform to do a test on our system.
Gavin Tye:So but theoretically, you can do it.
Mitchell Davis:Like, you can get a I think so. I think so. But it's I've never had a platform that's needed that type of instant scaling. Right? That that will accept a burst of traffic like that.
Mitchell Davis:So, yeah, I don't know. This might be a watch this space. It's something I
Gavin Tye:can Yeah. It's just something to think about. Well, mate, a thousand people or that many people in a conference auditorium doing that, you're gonna have connectivity issues with the network anyway. Like, you're not gonna
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. It was a WiFi.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yeah. It's that's gonna automatically tape out the flow of data, I would imagine for a while.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You'd think so. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:There was one, we did hit some rate limits with AWS and the service that we're using to do facial recognition. Mhmm. So that's something that I noticed where, like, if we have a huge, you know, two two hundred different photos get added within a minute or so, we're instantly gonna exceed whatever rate limits AWS has on us. So that is why we had some of the some of the tagging of the actual photos took like five, ten, fifteen minutes to come through. I believe they did all come through, but I'll I'll have to double check that.
Mitchell Davis:But, yeah, that's something that we can request AWS to increase. Those are, like, limits that we can ask for. Yeah. So now we've got some reasoning to go back to them and say, hey. Look.
Mitchell Davis:We expect every now and then when we're running a big event to get, like, we need a thousand photos tagged right now. Yep. Can they handle that? You know?
Gavin Tye:Yep. But I think even a ten or fifteen minute lag time is gonna be okay. Right? Like even for for that style, because they're not they don't need that then and there. It just goes to a game over the course of a day or two days.
Gavin Tye:Right?
Mitchell Davis:So Yeah. That's right. Yeah. So there's some learnings there and some things that we can request to change. But look, by the by, it was, went really well.
Gavin Tye:Okay. So the next the next topic that we talk about, I guess on our thing is what's next with events. Right? So we've got a we've got a test case coming up the next week, I think from the twenty fourth with a client, like, who actually found me through Founders Collective, which is, wants to use it. She's going to a conference and they have an app that's not very good.
Gavin Tye:She, first and foremost, she wants to introduce us to those people, but she also wants to trial using it as her business as a sponsor tool. It's not ideal at this point in time, but we're going to work through how to make it look. We've got that. I've got my fingers crossed for an event. I don't yeah.
Gavin Tye:It's a long shot, but we'll see another one in Perth at the end of the month, beginning of next month. And yeah. And then I guess the main stuff here is I'm not seeing any more events to the end of the year, really. We are planning some we will do look at some charity stuff for founders collective around Christmas. We will run a little series of smaller ones there.
Gavin Tye:But other than that, we will be following up, the the leads or the the potential clients that come out of this one. So one of the big things for us this week is to get everything that we know about inside HubSpot so we can start following out and keeping track of everything. Like I mentioned last week between seven and nine, that's now upwards of 14 to fifteen, sixteen.
Mitchell Davis:Right?
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yep. Which is which is which is amazing.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah.
Gavin Tye:But we want to be systematic about it. And then
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Far too hard to keep track of manually. So Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Use the software.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. And I've got some ideas on how to help people on the, like on their side, use six sides for a year, like for ongoing and then get people to sponsor that. I've got some ideas on that. But tomorrow we have a webinar, which two to a week ago, had three people attending, I think, four people attending, and we hadn't put any effort into it, but now we've put effort into it. And now there's thirty thirty eight now.
Gavin Tye:So Yeah. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:We did an invite. You walked me through how to do it from my account. Yeah. We what did we do? We went in.
Mitchell Davis:You can go if you're, like, recorded as, like, a speaker on an event, then you can go share it and invite other people. Yep. We we did nonprofits because the the title of the webinar is encouraging attendee interaction to build a stronger community at events. And so we felt that this would resonate with nonprofits and, yeah, we did the invite out from my account and then I, you know, I went back to doing LariCon stuff because this was like, Thursday afternoon or something like that right before after dark. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:And now we're up to 38. So two to 38. That's a pretty good jump. Yeah. So yeah.
Mitchell Davis:So what are you doing as far as preparation for that? And we haven't really I haven't confirmed with you. You invited me as a speaker. Am I appearing on camera with you? Yep.
Mitchell Davis:Right. You're in it. Right. Okay. That is not what I was expecting.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yeah. So I will lead it. I'm gonna I had can't get you to invite people and not have you on the screen. Like Right.
Gavin Tye:So you'll have to get a haircut.
Mitchell Davis:I'll have
Gavin Tye:to buy a wig. So basically, it's nothing that we haven't spoken about is really talking about everything. I'm just gonna put it in a slide in a slide deck. Just talking about, you know, if you want a different behavior, like a really about people being like well, that people being more lonely today than ever. And if they want to have an impact on that on their events, they can have a real impact if they approach first order, second and third order points of value for each side.
Gavin Tye:So I'm going go through each one of the sides of six sides of a community and what their first order of value, what most people try to approach. And then why, if they think about these second and third order value, bits of value, then they'll really create hype. Like I learned this from Jack the other day. He he actually opened my eyes, Jack Skinner, like if you happen to listen to this, he looks at things. He's actually running a conference called PyCon.
Gavin Tye:And he actually looks at he was looking at Michael's conference through levels of delightness. Like like you walk in that video was a massive delight, but then the way even the placards or the the badges were like a next level. I've never seen it because that's another level of delightness. He was looking at through levels of delightness. It's the same principles that we're doing.
Gavin Tye:We're levels of value, which is the same thing. It's a different name. But most people only think about the first order needs or they've, they run a routine of an event, Hey, come into a networking thing, but they don't actually get a better outcome. They're just doing the same thing everybody else does. So what I wanna do is get them to think about that out of the box.
Gavin Tye:And if they do that, they the consequence of that is people be more excited and be excited to come back to an event. Yeah. Yeah. So that's really the premise of it. That person that messaged earlier today that I want he's coming to Founders Collective, and he runs a conference up here in Sunshine Coast.
Gavin Tye:He's registered for it. A lot of people who have ideal clients are there. So I would like to think some stuff will come out of that as well.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's the whole point. Right? That's why we're doing it.
Mitchell Davis:So Yeah. It's, it's interesting. We will see. We'll report back on it. You got me nervous now.
Gavin Tye:Doing I know. I can see you've mate, you've gone red. You've gone you've been on yeah. You've gone out.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. No. It's like it's not it's not currently my wheelhouse, but, I mean, I did do these interviews with people at LaraCon, and that went really well. And I was, like, very nervous prior to doing those. And then as soon as I started talking, it just like all went away.
Gavin Tye:You've gone all flushed. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Have I? Yeah. I don't think it's as bad. Maybe it's the camera, mate. I feel I feel alright.
Gavin Tye:A red haze, hue, a red hue.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Mate, I've got the thinnest white skin ever. So yeah, it doesn't take much to, to have my face go red.
Gavin Tye:You've got your flash on, you got sunburn in the clock, five minutes.
Mitchell Davis:Something like that.
Gavin Tye:But I do think, like, I'll in the in the webinar, like, I'll lead it a 100% and I'll set you up to answer. Like, I will I will toss a ball up to you so you can smack it out of the park.
Mitchell Davis:Hopefully. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Talk about we'll talk about what you will ask me, in advance so that way I don't fumble it.
Gavin Tye:I don't know how to do that. I'll just it's how we wing it. No. No.
Mitchell Davis:We'll see.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. So we've got
Mitchell Davis:It will be fine anyway. I am ex I am excited. I'm just nervous around it. It'll be fine.
Gavin Tye:Well, I think what our secret sauce is, Mitch, in at the early stage of our business is our banter. Like, we're fun. This is our culture. Like, we're look at that. Look at the, that app, that conference app that we looked at a few months ago.
Gavin Tye:Right. Their culture is not one of fun and one of ease and one of easygoing like, but you look at six sides, how it's developed. I think that is still, I think the theme of that and how it's built is kind of related to how we approach the business together. Fun, easy, not, you know, we're we'd make a deliberate deliberate effort to connect every Friday for Monday versus Monday. Like, I think that that theme of the app does translate into the culture we're building and it's yeah.
Gavin Tye:Don't you think?
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I do. I agree.
Gavin Tye:So like, imagine we were really like collared shirt, like not very, you would develop the app that looked very similar to that. Like, unintentionally, but it would just be a flow on
Mitchell Davis:from boring and corporate. Yeah. Alrighty.
Gavin Tye:And I would not put
Mitchell Davis:you in any situation that I didn't think you would thrive.
Gavin Tye:You'll see you are way better at talking and attracting people to stuff than what I am. You are having way more success than what I am. It's just your it's your face.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. Anyway, enough about me or I'll get rid again. Yep.
Mitchell Davis:So look, I guess in terms of what's coming up next with events, we don't know yet. Hopefully, a lot more will be coming soon, and we'll we'll keep you in the loop as we uncover some of those conversations. Alright? But Yeah. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Really exciting. So we got the webinar this week, but you've also got your Founders Collective meetup happening as well. Yes. So why don't you tell us about that?
Gavin Tye:Yeah. We've still got Founders Collective this Thursday. We actually did a, run through on last Friday with Mark Salby. We went to QUT, looked at the space. It was awesome.
Gavin Tye:And then we actually sat down and did a podcast on the leap with him. Best best one of the best talks I've ever had with someone. It was amazing. Awesome. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:I sent it to him on Saturday just to review. There's some, sensitive stuff, potent there could have been some bit sensitive stuff, but everything's okay. And he said, mate, that was a great talk. So yeah. That comes out.
Gavin Tye:I'm going to release it at 06:00 on Thursday night in line with the actual talk. So it's going to come out on Thursday. It's a bit different. But that was brilliant. We're working hard to get people into the app now before.
Gavin Tye:So, so far there's only 12 people in there. It's probably a little bit too far out. But what I want to do is be very prescriptive. I'm going to do exactly what they did at LaraCon, get people to sit down. We'll take a photo on Roland Taguirut, take a photo with a few people and blast with the, yeah, blast with there's 13 people in here now since we, we, since I started.
Gavin Tye:So yeah, it's, I'll, I'll follow-up with a few people today. Yeah. Yeah. So we got that. So yeah, things were coming out of that.
Gavin Tye:So the Loretta who who were doing this other test, she'd come out of that. Hopefully, this other thing will come out of it. Yeah. It was
Mitchell Davis:There's a flywheel happening, mate. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:It's great when a good plan comes together, like
Mitchell Davis:It is. It's nice to so, you know, hopefully, one of these will eventuate into, you know, some other bigger deals and stuff like that. Right? But it is really nice to see the the foundations of the hypothesis going from money vent into many starting to work. It's a it's a bit of a viral component or a product led growth Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Type of approach that we're going after because it's really hard to do to just try and grow from doing, like, outreach on LinkedIn and stuff like that. Right? And we haven't, yeah, we haven't found a huge amount of success with it so far. So this is another strategy that we're trying, and it's just like by the nature of the product itself. Like, okay.
Mitchell Davis:If people use it at an event and they run an event and they really like it, hopefully they'll, you know, consider using us and that's starting to come true. So One one of the
Gavin Tye:things that this talk with Mark said, he he's had this business called Blue Sky Alternatives. He had it for ten years. Right? So when did you know you were going to make it? He goes about year seven.
Gavin Tye:I was like, what? He goes, yeah. Like he got hit with the GFC, the global financial crisis, all that kind of stuff. But he goes, it is just about survival. Is this,
Mitchell Davis:you just
Gavin Tye:want to make it to the next week or the next month. And that's what we're trying to do now is just get to the next sort of conferences and then the next slide, hopefully it'll get a little bit easier and then we'll get a little bit more growth and then something will change in the future.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, we've got a
Gavin Tye:few tactics we're try we're gonna try as well. Guerrilla marketing tactics. You've got a plan for a group of people. I've got a plan. So, yeah, it's, I think in this stuff, thinking out of the box and don't doing what everyone else is doing is the key to getting different results.
Gavin Tye:You know? Yeah. We'll fail in some of them, but we only need one or two to take off and we'll be, yeah, we'll be
Mitchell Davis:good. Yeah. So just a few final things before we wrap up. Michael was kind enough to, like, really, you know, make a lot of reference to six sides from his, you you know, as he was up on stage and in his emails and things like that. So we're really appreciative to him for that.
Mitchell Davis:He certainly wasn't trying to hide us away or anything. He's putting us out there. He even mentioned me in his opening talk.
Gavin Tye:That was that was nice too, by the
Mitchell Davis:way. It was. Yeah. So thank you, Michael. I know you you do listen to these, so thank you.
Mitchell Davis:We also while I was there doing these interviews, the interviews were largely on behalf of Michael and the Laravel kind of umbrella. So a lot of the questions I was asking were around Laravel stuff specifically and why people wanna keep coming back and all these sorts of things. But I did have a little bit of opportunity to ask some people during the interviews, like, what they were liking most about the app and got some interesting answers there. But, again, largely just everybody just really likes the community feeling that it was creating. I also mentioned to you on day two while you were there that there was an organizers meetup happening.
Mitchell Davis:And I said, mate, I think there's an opportunity here to go just offer to all of these organizer organizers of these meetups and just go, hey. Can we give this to you for free? You know? And I asked you about that, and you said, mate, go for it. So I went and did it, and Michael introduced me there.
Mitchell Davis:And so that was great. I had a few people that sounded like they were interested, but I haven't had anyone come up to me with anything yet. So we will follow-up, with some some of those people that were there. There's also a Slack channel for event organizers in that PHP Australia Slack that I'm in, so I'll use this as an opportunity to put that to them. What else?
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Some interesting conversations in, the different networking events with, yeah, potential leads, partnerships, things like that. So that was fantastic. And as well shout out to Marty and Michael at Mighty Digital who they also think they might have some leads for us that they're happy to send our way. So shout out to them as well.
Mitchell Davis:So, yeah, all in all, really happy. I guess final things that we're thinking about, so what's up next in development? So I think the main focus of this week is to go through, get an email out to all the attendees, basically thanking them for using the app and introducing you and I. We're gonna include a photo of us at LaraCon and just, you know, basically walk people through that we're a really small team. This is a new business and that we would really appreciate if they have any referrals that they could make for us.
Mitchell Davis:We would love to hear them. And then I think we'll send a separate email with some stats of each like individual person so that they can go, okay. Hey. Cool. You met, you know, these 35 people or whatever, that sort of a thing.
Mitchell Davis:So that's on the cards for this week on my side of things. What else have I got?
Gavin Tye:And potential we're gonna investigate selecting the photos into the collage. Right? Where that could maybe it could be harder, like, but with so many photos of people taking it, they're gonna want specific I would think they're gonna want specific photos to showcase. Right?
Mitchell Davis:Exactly. Yeah. That's right. So we need to start looking at that because even I experienced it myself. Like, I was trying I was really trying hard to get one photo that I wanted to put up on LinkedIn.
Mitchell Davis:I must have had to generate about 20 recaps to just to randomly get it. So it was a total pain in the butt. So yeah. But the videos, though, went really well as far as I can tell. Like, that's something that I just kinda put together on Monday, and it went no.
Mitchell Davis:No. Doesn't matter. It went really well. So I had no reports of issues, no errors, anything like that. So Yep.
Mitchell Davis:I did find a few people that had shared videos or images on LinkedIn.
Gavin Tye:Saw that as well. That I was showing Mel. I was like, look at that. That's, like,
Mitchell Davis:from us. Yep. Yep. So that's fantastic. I think what I will do in there's a networking chat for LaraCon AU twenty twenty five with all the well, with with like a 100 or so attendees there.
Mitchell Davis:I might put a message into that and just say, hey. If you really liked the app, I'd love if you could just send me a testimonial or if you could Yeah. Like, if we can have a conversation or something like that, just try and like get some more juice out of this. You know? Because we didn't prompt people to leave a review on the app this year like I did last year, so we don't have the, like, ninety five five star ratings or anything like that.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. That's something that we will definitely add, you know, next year or, you know, in the coming months of development there. Yep. We need to get that back in the app because that's a really good metric to have. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:But yeah. So, all of that sort of stuff will happen this week. I've got a few events to set up in the app, and I think final thing that we're doing that I'm doing is looking at the questions that were asked
Gavin Tye:Mhmm.
Mitchell Davis:At both of these events, and then we're compiling a report basically for both organizers of volunteering WA and LARACON AU to give them, like, some impact reporting. So some of those numbers that I shared before, but then also, like, general topics that were asked about things like that. Yep. So getting some of that stuff put together while you're busy, hopefully, chatting with leads and doing the webinar prep. So Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Cool.
Gavin Tye:So the Big week. Yeah. Absolutely. So when I was thinking about remember we did the Ignite Ideas grant and we said how many users we would get into the system. Yep.
Gavin Tye:I wonder feedback. Ignite Ideas Fund for free. So I wonder what do you remember off the top of your head what the number was like that we would say how many users I'm just, I just found the doc now. I'm gonna scroll through because we're well on the way we're like 500 people plus 8,000. We said we would have in the platform over the course of 2026.
Gavin Tye:So we're at 500.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Well, no. We're at 707 now. 707 users total because, Denmark is in there as well. They had about 200 people.
Gavin Tye:And then Founders Collective?
Mitchell Davis:That I'd I mean, I think we added about 60 people last time. Is that how many people?
Gavin Tye:Some something like that. Yeah. But maybe 30 people were in the app, like, whatever it was. Could be more, but we're 10% of the way there.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. That's right. Yeah. And we haven't started 2026 yet. So Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Mate, it's all going okay. Hopefully, it keeps going up into the right. So
Gavin Tye:Oh, it looks good.
Mitchell Davis:Well, why don't we wrap up now?
Gavin Tye:Mate, let's wrap up.
Mitchell Davis:Let's do it. You can find me on LinkedIn at Mitch Dav. Can people find you?
Gavin Tye:On LinkedIn, you are tired, aren't you?
Mitchell Davis:Am, mate. No human. I feel like I need to go to bed, but it's only it's only 10:30 on a Monday. So I'll be alright. So they can find you, Gavin Ty?
Gavin Tye:Yeah. At LinkedIn. And then also keep out look out for the, obviously, we've got this podcast, but the Leap by Founders Collective, which is the interview coming out on Thursday night, which is I it'll be really good.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Absolutely. Should you would would you consider releasing that, like, on Thursday morning? Okay. So just an idea for you.
Mitchell Davis:You can take it or leave it. I don't I don't mind. But, like, if people are interested in hearing from Mark before they then hear the talk, they won't have that opportunity if you release it at the same time as the talk. Right?
Gavin Tye:Yeah. But I also want to focus on his talk. Like he does a whole release of this. He's doing this ocean swim called don't be prey and, he's doing a talk on it. So that is this thing supports that.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Okay. So that it's very highly related. Okay.
Gavin Tye:Well, but I I also haven't seen that swim like trailer. But Yeah. He does talk about a lot of things in way more detail about that. So Okay. Yep.
Gavin Tye:Yep.
Mitchell Davis:So Cool. Makes sense then. Yeah. I think it's perfect. Yep.
Mitchell Davis:Alright. Awesome. Well, we will leave you all there, and, we'll catch you next week and hopefully some more updates on how everything is going amazing.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Awesome.
Mitchell Davis:We will see. Alright. Have a good week. See you.