Hey. I'm Mitchell Davis, a Laravel developer.
Gavin Tye:I'm Gavin Tye, sales and marketing. Hey, man. No.
Mitchell Davis:You can't interrupt. We gotta do the last part. Alright. We are building sixsides.co. It's an events platform that helps you build a stronger community through events.
Mitchell Davis:And this is our B2B SaaS journey. How are you, mate?
Gavin Tye:Mate, not bad. Not bad. I've been sitting on something all week that I haven't been able to tell you. A chair. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Ah, boom. Boom. You haven't had kids yet. That was a perfect dad joke. Want to read, I want to read out an email to you.
Mitchell Davis:Okay.
Gavin Tye:Hello, Gavin. Your AWS credits have been issued. You can now view track and monitor your AWS credits in AWS billing and cost management console. So we had the credits, all week and I've just been sitting on it till today.
Mitchell Davis:You cheeky dog. I called you about, being like, well, we didn't get these credits, so I'm thinking of other ways we could cut costs. Yep. How much did we get?
Gavin Tye:Well, I can't see them because I don't have permission set up, but it's $10,000 US, I think. Yeah. If yeah. You can have a look now if you if you want to, but I I just don't have, have permission. But yeah, you called me yesterday while and you were telling me about how you wanted to restructure the back end and the database and transfer off AWS or, you know, have other options.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Do some things differently, with Cloudflare so that we can try and
Gavin Tye:cut I'm some padding here so you can log in if you didn't realize.
Mitchell Davis:I'm logging in. I'm logging in as we speak. Anyway, I'm trying to find where that would even be. I don't know.
Gavin Tye:But And then you were asking, you were telling me all this stuff and you were, asking me about AWS and I was like, I'm just lying to him. Like, I was I got off the phone and I called told Mel. I was like, I just was not honest with Mitch just then.
Mitchell Davis:You felt bad about it. Yep. Yep. Yeah. Cool.
Mitchell Davis:Look, I can't see it. I I don't know how to get into that area. There's a credit section in AWS billing and cost management, and it says I don't have permission to access it. I set up the account, so I don't know.
Gavin Tye:Well, it says the same for me. I don't have permission to to see it either, so maybe it's fake.
Mitchell Davis:They lied to you.
Gavin Tye:But they come back to us anyway. They said it's all done.
Mitchell Davis:Mate, that's awesome. Well well done because you made all that happen. So that's fantastic. That will certainly help us keep some money in the bank Yep. In these early days.
Gavin Tye:Absolutely.
Mitchell Davis:Fantastic. Well, thank you, AWS, and to Roman Gallicoff as well.
Gavin Tye:Yep. Record record advisory for all your accounting advisory needs. So That's right. Yep.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. And I I referred, someone else over to to Roman and to record advisory on the AWS credits stuff. So Okay. If you're out there and you're you're in Australia, I guess, and you're wanting to, seek out some AWS credits, we'll put a link to Roman and record advisory in the show notes. Reach out to him.
Gavin Tye:I could even say he's sponsoring this podcast today.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. Something like that. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Awesome, mate. That's fantastic. Alright. Well, why don't we do a little follow-up from last week because it was a huge week for us? So if you haven't checked it out, last week, we had our very first event run through the platform, and it by and large, it went really well.
Mitchell Davis:So this was Laravel Live Denmark. We last week's recording, we actually did while Denmark, like, while the event was happening and that was fun. Because of the time zone difference, it was running from like 4PM to 1AM our time. And so we were up supporting well, at least I was up, into the night supporting them for, both a Thursday and a Friday night. So it was an incredibly big weekend for me.
Mitchell Davis:And by and large, it all went really well. We did have some teething issues. So at one point, our Redis we had a Redis instance sitting in front of the system using that as a cache, but also What's what's Redis, mate? It's, it's kind of hard to explain. It's just like, some way to put stuff temporarily.
Mitchell Davis:Right. So we were storing some bits of information about users and, different stuff that related to the event, but we were also tracking requests, because, anytime a request would come into the app, we were I was just using this to basically store, hey, somebody just made a request. This is the information about their request. So they might have been fetching a list of talks or loading photos from the gallery, things like that and I was kind of using that to track, okay, how's the performance in the app going? Yep.
Mitchell Davis:And we will move towards more advanced systems that are better, built for this, but it was just like a quick and easy way to get something like this up and running so that way I can see what people are actually doing in the app. And what I didn't realise was that we had we were putting these requests into Redis, we weren't pulling them back out and storing them in a like a proper database. So over time, over the course of like eight hours, this Reddit Redis instance slowly filled up and I didn't have any alarms or monitoring tools in place for that. So I should have known that that's what was happening, but I didn't. And so then at it was midnight on the Thursday.
Mitchell Davis:So what's that? 4PM their time. And I had just hopped into bed thinking, okay, I've only got one hour to go. I'm sick of being on this computer. I've been on it at that point for like fifteen hours or something like that.
Mitchell Davis:Hop into bed with the laptop and then I get a message from Rasmus saying, hey, the app is not working anymore. Nothing's loading. I was like, oh god. And what is really interesting and kind of sucks is that it was loading perfectly fine for me here in Sydney because it's using different infrastructure. So the Sydney infrastructure was just fine.
Mitchell Davis:The Frankfurt infrastructure was not working properly and I didn't have the right tools in place to to be notified about that. So, we've already made some changes to address this. So one, I instantly to to get out of this dilemma that had been created, I tried to scale up this Redis instance, and I was thinking, okay, that's only gonna take thirty seconds or something like that. It ended up taking fifteen minutes, which was felt awful as I'm just waiting there, like, in bed on on the laptop. Like, come on.
Mitchell Davis:Come on. Become available instead of, like, sitting there waiting for AWS to modify this instance or whatever. So that was, like, panic stations. I ended up just creating a new Redis instance and made it a serverless one so that it would just scale because at at that time at midnight, I had no idea what was filling up this thing. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:So it was like, okay. There is some problem. I need to just put as much into this as as we can. So, yeah, it was a real like, it was a lot that night.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. There's some But
Mitchell Davis:Go on.
Gavin Tye:As I said, there's some lessons there. Right? Like, it's like sport. Like, when you go and watch sport, you never leave until the end because the the best things happen right at the end of a game. Right?
Gavin Tye:And, it's an interesting lesson right in the last hour of the last day.
Mitchell Davis:Well, the first day. Yeah. So, yeah, it was on the Thursday. So and then I got it fixed up for the next day. I realized what had happened.
Mitchell Davis:So we didn't have any of these same problems on the second day of the conference.
Gavin Tye:But Yeah. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:You're right. Maybe it was but the thing is it had been largely smooth sailing. Like, we had that issue with the iOS 26 and and the camera, it was crashing the app. Rasmus actually after we did the recording, Rasmus made a great suggestion of well, could you just allow people to upload a selfie to enroll in the game if they're on iOS 26 instead of opening up the camera? And, you know, I was a bit sleep deprived, so I didn't think of that myself.
Mitchell Davis:So when he suggested that, I was like, oh, you know what? That's a great idea. So we got that. So all of the iOS 26 people were able to do everything inside of the app. Yep.
Mitchell Davis:That was awesome. But, yeah, I'd apart from that, it had there were basically no issues on the first day. So, I was feeling, like, very confident that, okay, everything's good. I will still just monitor this from bed, but, yeah, I can start to wind down now. I've got less than an hour to go and then everything blows up.
Mitchell Davis:So Yeah. Yeah. It was, it was really stressful while it was happening, but then as soon as I got that serverless Redis instance up and running, we were off to the races. The app went back to working for everybody again. Rasmus and the rest of the team all reported everything was good, so we were fine.
Mitchell Davis:And then you you then got up at 4AM, I think, right, to check-in with them because that was there like 8PM on the Thursday night. They were having, like, their social night. How did that go?
Gavin Tye:It was good. It was fine. There was no no issues. So Yeah. Cool.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yeah. It was good. So, I guess let's do a bit of a lessons learned. Obviously, what what are the positives?
Gavin Tye:So what are some of the stats that come out of the conference? We should have led we should have led with the positives.
Mitchell Davis:FYI. I'm kinda thinking yeah. Yeah. True. But I'm kinda thinking of it in, like, the arc of the forty eight hours or so, walking people through what what happened.
Mitchell Davis:Sure. Let's give some numbers. So we had a 156 I think of their attendees and it was like a 200 person conference so we had 75 of all people actually logged in and used the app which And was then of those about 50% of them signed up to do the like enrolled in the tag your bit game. So Okay. That went really well.
Mitchell Davis:I was really impressed with that. And then they uploaded about three hundred three hundred and sixty nine gallery photos. Wow. So so it's
Gavin Tye:about five per person. Right?
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. 75 people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yeah. So that was really cool. It was great. It was such a good feeling seeing people uploading photos and having a good time.
Mitchell Davis:The Denmark team on day two, they they said that there was someone who was like basically waiting there in the morning to capture selfies with everybody that came through Yep. To try and win lots of points. And so they you asked them like, oh my god. This is amazing. Could you take some photos of this person, like, using the app?
Mitchell Davis:And so they got some great photos for us that, you know, potentially we can use later. So that was awesome, and just really nice to see everybody smiling and having a good time and enjoying. Of course, they're primarily enjoying the conference, but also enjoying using the app and and the functionality that we're able to give to them.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. There were two people that I could see that were were really trying to win the points. That was Kai and Matilda, I think was
Mitchell Davis:Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. They were they were both just photobombing everyone. So
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yep. That's awesome.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. What was the prize? Do you know what the prize was?
Mitchell Davis:I have no idea. So and that feels really good because then we don't like, you know, I was quite heavily involved last year at LariCon AU with the prize and
Gavin Tye:Yep.
Mitchell Davis:The game and all this sort of stuff. So to not know, like, no. I don't know anything about whatever they did over there because we're just providing a a service for them. You know? So Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Okay. It's cool. Yep. It's a good feeling.
Gavin Tye:So I guess what are so some of the connections, how many connections and what are we defining as connections? It's more than one person in a photo. Right? What what did what numbers did I turn that to be?
Mitchell Davis:So I think that was about five hundred five hundred different unique connections between attendees. So for right now, yes, we define a connection as unique pairings of people in photos. Yep. We've got lots of other ideas of how to evolve this over time, but, we we recorded okay. There are at least 500 different interactions of people, unique sets of people in photos.
Gavin Tye:So Yeah. Okay.
Mitchell Davis:That's pretty good for a for a 200 person conference. That's like and I mean, even then, you're right actually of the, say, 75 people that did the game. They each then met what's that? Five or so people? I don't know.
Mitchell Davis:Somewhere around that. So that's a good number. So I'm pretty
Gavin Tye:happy with that. All starts with connection. Right?
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yeah. That's the idea. So yeah. So all in all pretty good.
Mitchell Davis:The the Friday we had so I figured out what was going on with this Redis problem. So we then started pulling requests out of Redis and storing them in the database. I figured out what had happened there and I messaged you and I said, god, I feel like such an idiot that I let this happen. It was such a like a stupid thing. It was one line of code that could have prevented this issue from happening.
Mitchell Davis:And I just had assumed that it was already done and it wasn't, and that's that was all on me. So I got that sorted. And then the only other thing that happened on the Friday, we found that there was a lot of latency. So people's requests into the app all of a sudden some of them were taking like ten seconds to load and that was especially on any pages that had like a profile photo of like an attendee or a speaker or someone like that. So that was really weird and I still honestly I don't quite understand exactly what happened there.
Mitchell Davis:It wasn't like the actual loading of the photo was slow. That wasn't it at all. That's all on a CDN. It was like getting the metadata to tell the app like, hey, this person has a photo and this is where you can go and find it. That was slower than it should have been.
Mitchell Davis:So to get around that we had to just disable displaying profile photos on any of like the list pages. Okay. You could still see it when you went to someone's actual profile, it would then load just fine. But yeah, for whatever reason it was that was really not working well. And it sucked because again, because we're running these two sets of infrastructure, it was loading perfectly fine for you and I.
Mitchell Davis:But for everyone there, could see because we were logging these requests. Oh, okay. Sometimes this is taking three, four seconds to load and it should have been like half a second, you know?
Gavin Tye:Of all, of all the first events to run, running one on the other side of the world is, is, is, Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:We did it in hard mode for sure. So yep.
Gavin Tye:So I guess and and then because we were also one of the lessons that I saw here was we were adding functionality mid event, which was probably it was asking the audience to do too much. It was asking them to update the app from the app, from the front screen and then go back in. And I think there's some lessons learned there is, Hey, let's a week out or three or four days out. Let's just put a line in the sand and go, that's it was now it's supporting. But I, don't think that will happen again because we were we were, painting the house and and before the people moved in.
Gavin Tye:Right? It's a
Mitchell Davis:The KFC, like you said last week. So, it god, I really hope we are never in that same situation again. It was incredibly stressful for for us but you're right also for any attendees that needed it like to have to go back in or relaunch the app to get the latest change. We we never wanna have that happen again, you know? Yep.
Mitchell Davis:So yeah. So anyway, we're already putting things in place for for our next set of events. So our next paid events are in November but you also have some what have you called it? The Founders
Gavin Tye:Oh, yep. The Founders Collective.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Collective. That's it. That's why I couldn't remember. It's like a interesting word.
Mitchell Davis:So, yes. So you're going to be running some events with, Roman, and you're doing that in is that mid September, did you say?
Gavin Tye:September, we're running an in person, like, meetup, in Brisbane, and we're gonna use six sides as the foundation for, to build the community there and run continual events. So yeah, that that'll be the next one we run it, but it'd be way a lot more simplified, which again has its own complexity. Right. I was looking at it last night going, how are we going to do this? Right?
Gavin Tye:So yeah. Which we'll talk about that and plan that out as well. So
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yeah. We'll we'll keep you posted there, but we're already starting to, make some changes. We've got more functionality to roll out. You and I, we talked on a little last week, but we've got so many other interesting ideas of of functionality that we can add, different games that we can add lots of different things.
Mitchell Davis:So there's lots going on that we want to add and and we'll add before the next set of events that run on
Gavin Tye:the
Mitchell Davis:on the platform. But in saying all of that, I have been largely taking some downtime from Six Sides this week because it was such a slog over the last few months to get everything ready for Denmark that I just needed a bit of time. So there hasn't been much change since last week but we're kind of planning out. You and I have, like, spoken I think every day this week with different updates and things that are happening. So Yep.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. Yeah. It's all going on.
Gavin Tye:And so we got a next week, we'll do a a wrap up session with Laravel, the live team out of Denmark, just to close that that project. We still gotta talk. We did a collage image collage instead of a a wrap video, which is in some instances, it's easier for people who you haven't taken a lot of photos to share. But then some instances for larger videos, it does tell a more compelling story. So we gotta figure that out, in the next couple of weeks because I and figure out how that looks.
Gavin Tye:And then plus, Laravel were looking at that as that we were talking to
Mitchell Davis:them about that. So Laravel Live Denmark. Yeah. Yeah. That's right.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. Yep. So Yep. So that's something that they're really interested in. So, we will get that delivered and over to them next week at the time of this recording.
Mitchell Davis:We'll get that set up for them and and then they'll be able to go into the app and generate these themselves. That's the idea. So, yeah, so we've got that happening. I think other than that, I like, that's largely it for Denmark. Right?
Mitchell Davis:There's not I don't think there's much else to cover there. All in all went really well. We're happy. We we're yet to have our like wrap up meeting with them, but from the all the data that we've got and all the photos and everything, looks like it all went really well. So we're very thankful to them for being our first event.
Mitchell Davis:And, yeah, we're we're stoked. It's gone well.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. It's good. Yep. It's as good as it could have been. It was never gonna get through, issue free, but we'll react you're reactive.
Gavin Tye:Right? And
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yeah. We we tried I tried my best to be as, honored as possible, and, yeah, it was it was brutal. Yep. Some late nights and a lot of stress, but, but we got it there.
Gavin Tye:Coming from a man that's never worked night shift. I
Mitchell Davis:was But I was also up at eight, 9AM, like, in here at at the office. It's not like I woke up at 4PM. So
Gavin Tye:If there's people out there who like, you don't know what hard work is.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yeah. Okay. How about those people?
Gavin Tye:You build an app.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. That's right. Yeah. Listen to a different podcast.
Gavin Tye:Yep. Alright. Shout out to all the night shift workers who are listening to
Mitchell Davis:this podcast. That we just pissed off.
Gavin Tye:There goes out for 25% of our audience. He doesn't mean it, guys. He's just bitter. He's still tired. Yep.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. I'm tired. I am tired. Anyway. Alright.
Mitchell Davis:So that's that's us. What have you been doing, mate?
Gavin Tye:Side note before we switch off. I worked night shift for five years when I was at Gladstone. So we would put sarking. Do you know what sarking is?
Mitchell Davis:No.
Gavin Tye:A sarking's a silver and blue tape that, that you put on houses before they put, they put up the frames and they put this sarking on to reflect the heat. So we used to line our windows like it. So a day would be night and, yeah. But we would make five years of night shift. I I did so.
Mitchell Davis:So many jobs. You were talking about the you worked in the the steel factory or
Gavin Tye:whatever it was. Yeah. Aluminum smelter. Yeah. That's the that's the place.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. But what's that got to do with houses?
Gavin Tye:Oh, no. You used the sarking to to, black out the window so you you can sleep during the day. Yeah. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Okay. Right. Right. I thought you also did this other job of going and putting this stuff on people's houses.
Gavin Tye:No.
Mitchell Davis:No. No. No. I was a bit confused.
Gavin Tye:But I have done night shift for straight night shift for at a glass factory for a few years as well. So Oh my god. Can list all my jobs out, like, from one thing to another. And now I'm here.
Mitchell Davis:You need to just send us your your resume. I'll put it in the put it in the show notes.
Gavin Tye:I'd have to go by from eighteen and step my work way through it to to understand what I've done.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. I've had way less jobs than you. The only one of interest that isn't software related was I was a a sandwich artist at Subway when I was like yeah. That's what they called. That was the name on the contract.
Mitchell Davis:So yep. And then I I got the I still have it. My mom found it not too long ago, but the what's that called, the apron thing. Yep. And, yeah, I've I've still got that, and it's got, like, the subway logo on it and stuff, and I had a name badge.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. I wasn't very good at it, and I only did it for a little while, maybe a month or two, like, before year 12, I think. But, hey, it was fun.
Gavin Tye:God, it bread rolls at home when Nicole goes, yeah, have a sandwich. And you go, well, let me tell you when you cut it back the you cut it back the front and you cut the the the guts out of the top of it. Do you do that? She doesn't
Mitchell Davis:come up often. She's way more capable in the kitchen than me, so she would not be asking me for for any help.
Gavin Tye:Do want Italian and cheese or or her six inch or yeah. Yeah. That's right. Yep.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. I I I really like Subway, and I my prayers have been answered. There's one actually in this, like, office complex that they're building now. And I've been like, for the longest time, I just need a Subway, then I'd be happy here. There's there's largely everything else that I'd want.
Mitchell Davis:Just wanted subway, and finally, it's going in. So Yeah. Right. So alright. Apart from the whole subway fiasco, how's everything going on your side of the fence?
Gavin Tye:Yeah. It's been good. Like, I've been trying to figure out over the last couple of weeks just trying to sort out the, like the two businesses that I've worked in. Like last week I went on an exploration. Was gonna change from HubSpot.
Gavin Tye:Like I, I was having an issue where I would running HubSpot through sales market fit and deal buddy, but then it wouldn't, the Google Chrome extension wasn't, you couldn't separate it out if you're running the same profile. And I was running my email through, six sides email through the same profile of Chrome. And so I I it was tracking the wrong things and then it wasn't it just wasn't giving the value that I wanted or needed. And you said, well, just run a diff create another profile through six sides. And I already had it.
Gavin Tye:I just didn't it was a pain in the ass to switch over. Yeah. Anyway, I did it and it fixed it. And, so I was like, anyway, yeah. Still Absolutely.
Gavin Tye:You said that yesterday too, right?
Mitchell Davis:I messaged you saying, hey. You know I'm a genius. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Well, I don't know what that was about, but it was,
Mitchell Davis:I just needed to pick me up. That's all it was.
Gavin Tye:Was following what Piralli did on his tracking. Yeah. That's so I went down this path and investigated, and I've watched this platform for a while called close.comclosecrm. And I went to switch over to it and it was just too painful and it just wouldn't work the way I wanted. And I've just come full circle.
Gavin Tye:I've tried, I even tried to talk to their support for ages and it just some things when their knowledge base says it does something. And when you go to actually try to do it, it doesn't do it, which is, that's the most frustrating thing. So I was like, I'm going back to HubSpot. So I've been sorting out, yeah, well, yeah, I don't use it a lot. But a HubSpot consultant has just come into my world, in the other business.
Gavin Tye:So we've been talking about a few things there, but I've gone through all, you know, the emails and now that we've got a platform to talk to, and showing an actual event through the new version of six sides, I've been able to rehash some conversations. So I've got, you know, I've got one, I won't name them because it's too soon and I don't want to jinx it, but I've got one, two, three, four, five opportunities now on the go. So one one's come through from just outreach in Bulgaria, which is a, a pretty big Java conference. If Martin happens to listen to this, good day, Martin. But you know, that is a bigger conference.
Gavin Tye:It's orders of magnitude bigger than what we've been delivering. So, but it's good. It's, starting to go out and talk to people now with something like to actual show them, a little bit. We can show them the app. We're still working on some other stuff as well, but yeah, I've been doing that.
Gavin Tye:We're starting our LinkedIn, our LinkedIn connections. Think this morning, your your profile, we're trying to do LinkedIn strategy where we're going to record a video. Typically we'll be using Meet Alfred, where you will connect and send them a few messages. I feel like that's getting smashed to death at the moment and people aren't responding. So we're actually going to test something now, whereas we're just going to connect the soft connect.
Gavin Tye:So, Hey, how's it going? You haven't connected with anyone yet. And then we're going to just record a minute loom video just saying, Hey, this is an AI. This is us as founders and see if we can get them interested. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:We're gonna try to add value first.
Mitchell Davis:Try and use our, like, personality to shine through because it's so yeah. Sending any sort of message is so cold. Just text is so cold. So and we think like at this scale, we're only gonna be doing, you know, probably a handful of these per day, and it takes a minute or so per per one. So Mhmm.
Mitchell Davis:I could just get together in the morning and then smash them out and and go from there. And was this my idea or was this yours?
Gavin Tye:Look. I think it was a team idea.
Mitchell Davis:Shit. No. Like, I don't say that to to to take credit or whatever. I'm not trying to be an asshole here. Just like I was this me being like, hey.
Mitchell Davis:Maybe this is something we could try because it's I don't want people to think you've, like, obligated me to do this.
Gavin Tye:No. No. It was a version I had it in my head, and then you had a version of it. So we kind of meshed them together. We we did meshed together.
Gavin Tye:Okay. Yeah. Cool. It's probably would've come from you Mitch, because whenever I suggest a lead generation idea for you, you you you arc up.
Mitchell Davis:I'll shut it down.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. So it would've had to originate from you.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Probably. Yeah. Yeah. Sure.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yeah. So that will be fun. We hopefully, we haven't done it yet because there hasn't been any to send, but if we get some, then we can do that, you know, from Monday onwards. So
Gavin Tye:Yeah. And and there's also another strategy that's been working well in other industries is a lot of people would do lead gen to say, hey. Do you wanna have a conversation? Whereas a a good friend of mine and it's working in other industries, he's doing lead gen to a value adding webinar. So we're gonna try that as well.
Gavin Tye:We're gonna start breaking that out, that strategy out so we can do. And that's why we want to do a softer intro to people on LinkedIn, because then we can just go to them with the webinar opposed to, Hey, a couple of messages plus a webinar. It's just too messy. So, and then you can do email outreach on that as well. So, yeah.
Gavin Tye:I think there's something that could be something going on with my email as well. A lot of people are missing my emails. It seems to be going to junk or something. I need
Mitchell Davis:to There's six sides? Yeah. Okay.
Gavin Tye:Could have I
Mitchell Davis:have to do some tests.
Gavin Tye:Might've done some stuff on there. Need to.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. You might've been a bit naughty. You sending spam.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Anyway, we'll, we'll figure it out. It could be just, that could be lying to me too. Right?
Mitchell Davis:Yep. It's true. Yeah. That is true. But yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Okay. We'll do it. I'll send you a link, and we can do a email test and just make sure it's not it's not going to spam. Yep. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Cool. Okay. Well, I've before we move on, you mentioned about Bulgaria. I know it's it's probably putting the cart before the horse. It's still very early days for that, but it will be interesting to see if we pick up more events in other parts of the world how we go about handling that and supporting them during those events because like this was brutal and it was only you know what six seven hours behind us in terms of time zone.
Mitchell Davis:I don't know exactly what, but it wasn't too bad. It was like 4PM to 1AM. But imagine if it was like kicks off at 8PM goes to 6AM or something like that for us. That would be hard, you know, or even later. So yeah.
Mitchell Davis:But I mean, we can't It would be stupid to turn down any opportunities no matter where they are right now because we're in so early days. Right? But that does immediately come to mind as like, woah. Okay. That could be difficult to deal with.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yeah. It could be.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yeah. Could be.
Gavin Tye:You gotta win it then figure it out. Right?
Mitchell Davis:And it won't be your problem. So you're you're fine. Yeah. Anyway. Alright.
Mitchell Davis:Cool. So then, some some other things. So we have a Substack now. So you have spearheaded this.
Gavin Tye:We do.
Mitchell Davis:Wanna tell us about that?
Gavin Tye:Yeah. So one of the things we'd be doing is just quietly doing the pod well, quietly doing the podcast. We're not promoting it or anything. And but now, as you mentioned the other day, hit, this is our twenty sixth week. Our last we, you know, Transistor picked this up on saying it was 25 last week.
Gavin Tye:So now we're just gonna be a little more vocal around actually promoting it and talking about maybe other things off the podcast. So we we now have a sub stack where we'll put this out in the newsletter every week as well. Like, and that's separate from six sides and also, you know, deal buddy and Atlas and everything. So we'll put that in the, show notes, no doubt the link to it. And I've also created it as a business, as a podcast, as a LinkedIn page now and invited where you can join, you can have it as a cohost as an employer for it as well, Mitch.
Gavin Tye:I've actually just done that and shared that through my network as well. So, I've done done that an hour ago and it's, you know, quite a few people have have commented on it or or reshared it. So yeah. Awesome.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. That's great. Yeah. Cool. So that's exciting to have.
Mitchell Davis:So, if you're listening to this, we'd love if you'd get on there. It only takes a second to to hop on. Yep. So if you could do that, that'd be great. But also some changes with the YouTube channel.
Mitchell Davis:We're finding that we're not really getting much value out of doing it. Like, our our last video from last week has three views on it. So we think we might put a hold on that for now. We're still gonna record in video, I think, so that if we ever wanted to publish these, we can, but it's just not really worth the time right now. So sorry if you're watching on YouTube, but I really don't think you were because our few counts are pretty low.
Mitchell Davis:So, we've also had something interesting happen lately with the numbers. So the I just have to go find it. But episode five for some reason, which was building a better events platform one API at a time, something has happened with that episode because it's now by far our most listened to. And, like, even in the last two weeks, it's had, like, another 30 listens or something like that. Mhmm.
Mitchell Davis:So it's like somebody has shared it Yep. Okay. To their audience, but we can't see where that is. I've done some googling. I've checked on, like, Facebook.
Mitchell Davis:I've checked on LinkedIn. I haven't been able to find it. So if you shared our episode, thank you. Reach out to [email protected]. But I don't know what it is about that episode, but it's it's taking off.
Mitchell Davis:So
Gavin Tye:Yeah. I actually wrote a blog post on it today. It was I had a look at it. It was talking about that episode was about how we created a meeting booking functionality in the app and then also API discussion. So, yeah, I wrote a blog post on it today and put it up
Mitchell Davis:Check on you out on the blog.
Gavin Tye:Yeah, mate. Yep. Got my weekly tasks.
Mitchell Davis:So Very good. Yeah. I I haven't done any, this week, so I've been a bit slack on the task, but I've also taken a little time away from Six Sides this week. So it's all I'm giving myself a pass. That's okay.
Mitchell Davis:So yeah. Cool. Okay. Excellent. I see the article now, how to build meeting bookings.
Mitchell Davis:So
Gavin Tye:good one. So we were cool. We we also had one of the conferences that we were really close to, it just popped up on my notifications just saying that's why I'm bringing it up. One of the conferences that we were really close to getting this year has kicking off yesterday and today. So I've been sniffing around their, app and being a little critical of, of the functionality and seeing how they've taken some of the stuff we've spoken about and, adapted it to their own.
Gavin Tye:And, yeah, some of it there's some good lessons out of some of the stuff that they have, but, yeah, it's a it's a thorn in my side, that conference.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. Yes. Yeah. I've been getting the notifications as well. I do like the notifications.
Mitchell Davis:I think that's an interesting point that, like, I've never considered that, you know, considered sending notifications like that to keep people in the loop. I think it's a cool idea and that's something that we could probably adopt and and have like made available to organizers to be like, hey, do you wanna send do do you wanna schedule notifications to go out at this time, you know, and they can just do that a couple weeks before. Like, that's I think that's pretty cool. So that's the one takeaway that I took from it. It's like, yep.
Mitchell Davis:Okay. That's a good one. But there are some other things that this particular event has done which does kind of incorporate some of our thinking and some of the conversations that we've had, but they've also got some other like interesting ideas in there that we might wanna consider. So I think it's kind of tit for tat, you know?
Gavin Tye:They've brought a functionality out overnight that says you're not sure who to talk to, like in the chat, and it's you spin the wheel to find like minded people. And so it spins a wheel, which I thought was in really interesting. Right?
Mitchell Davis:Okay. Yep. Yeah. Well, I mean, good on them for, iterating and innovating. But, yes, you put a you put a lot of time and work into this relationship with them, and it hasn't paid off yet.
Mitchell Davis:So I can see the, the the thorn in the side, as you said.
Gavin Tye:It is what it is, mate. It is what
Mitchell Davis:it is. We can't change it.
Gavin Tye:So what what have you got coming up next week?
Mitchell Davis:We need to deliver on these wrapped videos, and make sure that's all working. I think that's the only thing that is like on my list to do
Gavin Tye:Yep.
Mitchell Davis:Next week. We'll kick off with more functionality and more changes for these upcoming events in November. We'll kick that off probably the week after so I just want to make sure Denmark is all finalized and tucked away. Yeah. Something else though that I am like to call back to the very start of the episode and these AWS credits, something that I'm kind of investigating is could we leverage Cloudflare more to try and host, like, the data for these events.
Gavin Tye:Sure.
Mitchell Davis:Because right now we've got we're in two regions and our bill apart from these credits, our bill is like a thousand dollars a month, you know, Australian, 600 or so US. So these credits will help with that but if there's a way that we can leverage Cloudflare to do more work at the edge which they control, that's how all traffic into our app goes through Cloudflare first and they offer some really, really cheap but seemingly reliable database solutions, then I'm very interested in that. We'll we'll be able to leverage these credits for other things that we wanna do inside of AWS. We're not moving away from AWS at all, but if we can like the the whole latency issues that we were having with Denmark and the, you know, taking a few seconds to load a list of attendees and things like that, we could probably do this smarter leveraging Cloudflare's databases.
Gavin Tye:So does the the fact that we have credits now, can that delay that piece of work so we can work on other stuff if because if it's not going to if it's just purely a clockwise?
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Potentially. It's something I gotta think about. Yes. I mean, ultimately now, okay, we can afford six nine months of spinning up capacity so that you know these latency issues potentially go away like the the tricky part with the multi region stuff is it's really hard to test.
Mitchell Davis:You're still on I'm still only here in Sydney, you know, you're in Brisbane, like, we can only at speed of light, like, constraints. I can't suddenly be in Denmark and test what the speed is like there. It's really difficult to do. So it's hard to know where was I going with this? It's hard to know exactly what levers I need to pull to get this all to work really smoothly.
Mitchell Davis:I think I honestly think Cloudflare is probably gonna be the best way to do this Sure. Because we can have per event databases and just host them very close to wherever that event is happening. Sure. And we could then spin up we could then effectively have servers, it wouldn't be servers, we use serverless, but we can have like code sitting there in basically every region around the world ready to run infrastructure and it would be incredibly cheap
Gavin Tye:Yep.
Mitchell Davis:If we're using these Cloudflare databases. Like, our total bill could be like $200 a month and we are able to run events literally on every continent on the world. Sure. You know? So it's it's really early days.
Mitchell Davis:I don't know. I've never done anything like this before having to go multi region so I think that's a big part of why we had some teething issues with Denmark. If you're out there and this is something that you've done before and you wanna reach out and give me some advice, would love to hear it. Yeah. So we'll have a link for that in the show notes.
Mitchell Davis:But yeah, it's it's interesting and it's a fun challenge to solve. I'm very glad that our next set of events are all gonna be in Australia. So Yep. We don't I I can push this can down the road for a while.
Gavin Tye:Yep. Because because I do think about your capacity. Right. And, and there is, we have spoken about like last week about our goal being 300 ks. And then for that, we need to go up a price point, like from where we are.
Gavin Tye:And for that we need, we do need a dashboard and a function like that dashboard functionality and some other, like allow people to, I was just thinking about attendees logging in from our homepage to go see their photos or events. And there's all that stuff. Right. That when, if we can push that up, that stuff out, you just spoke to for a while to give you enough time to, to work on this stuff. Like those credits will be significant because, you you runway.
Gavin Tye:We're close to you. And even though you're not doing stuff anymore, we can't have you running at a 120% for, for a while. We've gotta take that pressure off. So.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. That's right. Yeah. So I think it's still gonna be a really full year to the end of the year.
Gavin Tye:Oh, I know. Yeah. Yeah. It's only gonna get worse. Right?
Gavin Tye:Once we start winning some more, that's where I'm just trying to yeah. Hopefully we won't chase overseas too much. So hopefully that's not too much of an issue.
Mitchell Davis:Right? Yeah. It like, I would love to be able to go, okay, cool. Denmark went well. That's gonna be our last overseas event for six months so that basically we can deprovision all of that stuff.
Mitchell Davis:We'll move it all over to Sydney. If someone happens to wanna that went to Laravel Live Denmark, if they wanna log in to the app and view all of their stuff, it would still work but it would just be pretty slow because they're actually connecting to Sydney. Yeah. We could do that. That's gonna cut our costs in half.
Mitchell Davis:Right? Because now we only support one region Even with these credits, there's no sense in wasting them. And then for next year, I can focus on, you know, with whoever, like in 2026, I can focus on, okay, now let's expand back out, but do it in a way that doesn't cost us, you know, multiples as we as we expand. So Yep. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Anyway, we will see. We'll keep you posted, dear listener. Well, why don't we wrap it up there? So if you're out there, leave us a review and a rating. You won't be able to find this on YouTube, so unlucky.
Mitchell Davis:So no need to leave us a like, but we do appreciate everybody that's following along, and it's really nice to see the the listens are growing. So keep it up.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. It's great. We share us. Best month so far, so of listeners.
Mitchell Davis:Yes. That's right. So, share us if you would. We would appreciate it. And, yeah, send it over to someone else that you think might be interested.
Mitchell Davis:Alright. You can find me online, Mitch Dev, LinkedIn, Blue Sky, GitHub, Twitter, whatever. I'm in all the spots. Gavin? Substack now.
Mitchell Davis:And Substack.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yeah. Gavin Ty at that's at LinkedIn. You can also find Gavin Ty at YouTube. Had a video that took off last week too, by the way, mate.
Mitchell Davis:Why don't you tell us about it? Go on then.
Gavin Tye:Well, it was only 1,200 views. It wasn't massive, but it was, it was better than Yep.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. That's great. And you sent it to me as I was like pulling my hair out, on the Thursday night when everything was falling apart.
Gavin Tye:So I'm not known for my timing sometimes. Yeah. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:So I did not respond to you about it at all. I'm like, I could not deal with this fucking bullshit right now. So
Gavin Tye:Yep. Yeah. I heard that loud and loud and clear. Yep.
Mitchell Davis:Loud and clear. Yep. Anyway alright. We will catch you all next week, and thank you for listening.
Gavin Tye:Alright, mate. See you later.
Mitchell Davis:See you.