Hey. I'm Mitchell Davis, a Laravel developer.
Gavin Tye:Does it make you sad that you're not Laravel Live tonight, mate?
Mitchell Davis:No. No. It's a a long way away.
Gavin Tye:I'm I'm Gavin Tye, sales and marketing. We're building Six Sides.
Mitchell Davis:Yes. We are at sixsides.co. It's an events platform. We help you build a stronger community through events. This is our b to b SaaS journey.
Mitchell Davis:Mate, how are you going?
Gavin Tye:Well, it's a bit later than we normally do a podcast. We're currently sitting at 07:30 at night on a Thursday, but we're doing it for a very special reason.
Mitchell Davis:We are. So,
Gavin Tye:Laravel Drumroll. Hold on. Left to add an insert drumroll.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. We don't have the editing budget for that. No. Laravel live Denmark is happening right now as we speak. Our man, Rasmus Nielsen is on stage right now.
Mitchell Davis:God, I hope it's Nielsen. It is. Yeah. Rasmus Christoffer Nielsen. So thank you, Rasmus.
Mitchell Davis:Rasmus made all this happen probably four, five months ago, reached out to me and said, hey. Loved the app at LaraCon AU. Do you think we could get it get it up and running for them at Laravel Live Denmark? It's been a long bloody story arc since then and and a race to get to the finish line, but we have done it. So the app is live.
Mitchell Davis:I know there were, I'm sure, lots of people that were worried that we wouldn't have the Android app out in time. We got it done. So Google did approve it. So thank you very much, Google, for for all the stress that you caused us, but that's okay.
Gavin Tye:So update us on that last last podcast, which was last Friday. They Yeah. It hadn't been released yet. So just give us the cleft notes of what happened there because it was definitely nerve wracking. Right?
Gavin Tye:It was terrifying.
Mitchell Davis:So we submitted the Apple the iOS app, like, two weeks ago and did an expedited review where you can ask them like, hey. This is really important. Can you get this up and live as soon as possible? They came back within like fifteen, twenty minutes. Apple came back and it was live on the App Store.
Gavin Tye:Mhmm.
Mitchell Davis:Great. Right? Google, we submitted it at the same time. We had to wait I think it was like a week and a half to two weeks, I think. Something like that.
Mitchell Davis:I don't know.
Gavin Tye:It was
Mitchell Davis:ridiculous, but it was over a week. It was terrifying that it wasn't gonna be live for Denmark, and it was literally out of our hands. Like and it's not like I've been sitting around just not putting, like, blood, sweat, and tears into this thing to try and get it out the door as soon as possible. It has been grueling to go through and get all of this done and then to have it kind of just be waiting in the balance for some reviewer at Google. Total nightmare.
Mitchell Davis:Anyway, on the weekend so it's Thursday now, probably Saturday, I think it was.
Gavin Tye:What was Saturday, Sunday?
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yeah. It was one of them. Whatever. It doesn't matter.
Mitchell Davis:But it was, like, extremely close and uncomfortable close to the line for this event happening. But, anyway, it is done. We never have to go through the first review process again. So now, hopefully, from here on, it's smooth sailing with with updates, and it's gone really well as far as we could tell. So I'll get into numbers in a minute, but since the release going up, I've been working on lots of small improvements to roll out different bits of functionality.
Mitchell Davis:We've been using expos over the air updates, and that allows us to, like, roll out changes to the app without it going through the App Store, which is awesome. And it's gone really well. So, yeah, we right now, as you said, it's 07:30. We're now 07:40, and I've been here since 9AM, I think. So we're coming up on twelve hours.
Mitchell Davis:I'm gonna be here another couple hours because of the time zone difference. I'm based in Sydney, and the conference is happening in Copenhagen. So for them right now, it's like 11:40AM. And this being our very first event and it being such a new technology, it just feels like we need to support them and be around in case anything goes wrong. So we've committed to I'm gonna be available until 5PM their time, which is 1AM my time.
Mitchell Davis:It's a very long day. So, and then what have you, said you were gonna do?
Gavin Tye:I think I'll get up at three. So Right.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. So you're gonna cover basically the night shift, and that will be for them. What's that gonna be? Like, 7PM?
Gavin Tye:They'll be there after, like, their networking night ride. So they'll probably be half pissed by the time I wake up anyway, so they probably won't be paying too much of a ten too much attention to it. Yeah. Yeah. So, mate, it's been it's been fantastic.
Gavin Tye:Like, in now watching people come into the app, we've been watching steadily over the couple days, people coming in, and it's been relatively issue free. Right? There's been a couple of couple issues. We've got a bit of a glitch with a beta beta iOS release, which is
Mitchell Davis:Yeah.
Gavin Tye:There's not much we can do about that. Right? No.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. So interestingly, we've got, it's great working with developers because they get it. We had a bug report come through from someone on the team at Denmark that's helping us, and they included a video showing that, okay, under this specific circumstance on iOS 26, which is still in a beta at the moment, the app will crash when you try and open up the camera. Mhmm. And I I saw that, and I was like, oh god.
Mitchell Davis:But what could we do while the conference is running? It's gonna require, like, a an actual Apple and well, in this case, an Apple review to roll out, like, significant native changes to fix whatever this issue is. So we're not gonna be able to have those people take photos in the app for this event, but what I am very pleased about is that I already built in workarounds for this exact type of thing. They can just take photos in their normal camera app and then upload them into the the gallery. Right?
Mitchell Davis:So that's gonna work well for those people. Hopefully, they choose to use it. And then we also made it possible based on my experiences at LariCon AU last year for how difficult it was when you had someone whose phone for whatever reason couldn't enroll in the game that we're doing. It requires like a couple steps and some people's phones for whatever reason just it's not working. And in this case at in in Denmark, it's seemingly just for the iOS 26 people of which currently we know there are five out of the, like, 200 people that are going to the event.
Mitchell Davis:Right? So pretty low percentage, which I'm very thankful for. So I built in right from day one of of this new app a way for, like, certain administrators basically, like the Denmark team themselves to be able to enroll people in the the game that we're running from their phones. So at least someone is gonna be able to get these five people enrolled in the game and then they can still participate. So yeah.
Mitchell Davis:And this is the sort of stuff you you don't often have to think about when you're doing web development, but the second you get into doing mobile stuff, you've got no idea what's happening on someone's phone and whatever weird configuration they're running in. Like, this isn't that weird. It's Casper was saying iOS 26 launches in two weeks. Like, this shouldn't be a problem, but it is. So you kind of have to work
Gavin Tye:around that. When they release, sometimes they release new updates. They they crash certain things. Right? And then they've gotta release that update.
Gavin Tye:So I don't think you can prepare for that. So yeah? Yeah. Good on you. Good on you, mate.
Gavin Tye:Good on you.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. I'm pretty happy that it's all gone fairly well. I can give some numbers now. I think that might be interesting. So there's I think they've got 209 tickets sold somewhere in that range, low two hundreds.
Mitchell Davis:We currently have a 141 attendees have logged in to the app and used their ticket code. Yep. So that's about two thirds, which Okay. Is bloody awesome. So and it's only it's not even the first half of day one yet is over.
Mitchell Davis:Right? So, like, it's a really good sign. So, unfortunately, there's no livestream from Denmark because I would have loved to hear what Matthias is saying, but I'm guessing he's done a pretty good job of spruiking the app to the people because, yeah, to get two thirds within, like, two, three hours is pretty unreal.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. There's, like, more than 40 photos been taken already. Yeah. I see some artistic ones there as well. They got a couple of things going on.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. It's it's been great.
Mitchell Davis:So It's a really good result. So I'm stoked. I've been I've got three monitors on this computer, and I you would not believe this the dashboards and stats and graphs and stuff that I'm looking at to just make sure, like, okay. Is there any sign that anything weird is happening? So far, no signs.
Mitchell Davis:The only errors that I'm seeing at all apart from this weird iOS 26 crash, the only errors I'm seeing are when people are trying to enroll in the game, but there's multiple people in the background and then the system can't reliably determine, like, okay, there is this is the person's face that is enrolling in the game. Right? And that's just something that's kind of like, well, yeah, you need to go in an area where there's not people behind you so that we can reliably tag you. Right?
Gavin Tye:So Gotcha.
Mitchell Davis:That's a bit of a bummer and maybe something that we could work on into the future, but, like, it's an easy fix and something that sorry. It's an easy fix for that attendee to just literally turn and then not have anybody in the background. Right? So yeah. But that's it.
Mitchell Davis:Otherwise, everything else is just working. Infrastructure, I've been monitoring. I've got AWS, RDS databases here in both Sydney and Frankfurt, and I'm monitoring those. And we haven't spiked above, like, 5% CPU, which is great. And this is only on a for those in the know, this is a t three medium.
Mitchell Davis:So it's not like where I think these these databases cost about a $100 per month. So, I mean, it's not like a $10 database, but I wouldn't wanna run a production workload on something that's like rinky dink. So this is not a crazy spec database that we're running this on, and, yeah, we're we're sitting at about 5% average CPU. So Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Am Okay.
Mitchell Davis:Really happy with that. All of the stuff that we've got to like, if something when we're running, like, moderation on people's uploads into the gallery to make sure that they're not uploading anything inappropriate. For that, we're using OpenAI like ChatGPT. They have a tool for this that you can call and every now and then it will crap out or time out on us, but the system already has like we're using so this this is all really technical, but we're using Cloudflare's workflows feature and we can just go, okay. If it craps out, automatically retry it five seconds later.
Mitchell Davis:Okay. And it does and then it works. Like and so we haven't had any gallery photos fail to go through because it'll just keep retrying until it works, and
Gavin Tye:shit's working.
Mitchell Davis:Like
Gavin Tye:Yep. It's good. It's great. Look. It's even now, like, since you released it on Monday, or I think it was Sunday you put it out there, when it was released, you're adding those little bits and pieces now, and it's it's come along so far since Monday.
Gavin Tye:And it's the fun stuff. Right? And
Mitchell Davis:It is the fun stuff.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. And now even we're looking at, oh, let's make this the attendee page look a little different, a little yeah. So it's oh, no. That's not the I was looking at the schedule. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:So it's mate, it's fantastic. So Yeah. You should be proud of yourself, and it's been it's so good to be able to do this podcast while this is in action right now. Like, I know some people I've spoken about it. They've been following along.
Gavin Tye:Hirley, especially he said he's been he's been following along. So, yeah, he's excited to hear, he'll be excited to hear this, and I'm sure there's another one or two people. Yeah. No. Yep.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. So mate Yeah. I I
Mitchell Davis:shared what was going on with, like, Denmark. I shared that with some of the people in a Slack group that I'm in.
Gavin Tye:And Mhmm.
Mitchell Davis:It was really nice. Had a bunch of people just say some nice things, and they remembered using the app, you know, last year. And, yeah, it's just like it's nice. It feels good. It feels like we've got a bit of a it's not like a fan base, but, you know, like some people that are in our corner.
Mitchell Davis:You know? To start. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:So it feels really good. So Cool. If you're out there, thank you.
Gavin Tye:Thank you. Yep. Yeah. Hopefully, they'll leave a review of the app, like, in the App Store. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Mate, there's a couple of things you've got on the list here tonight. So we've been talking about the thirty second pitch. You've been working on it really hard.
Mitchell Davis:I would not say really hard. I've been working on it in a sleep deprived state. But, yes, I have oh, it's got rid of my okay. I could give you the first half of it. To lose it?
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Something has happened. But, anyway hey. Let me Go to
Gavin Tye:your version history and and see if you can roll it back. No?
Mitchell Davis:It's in notes. It's alright. I've got I'll give you the first half, and then we'll Okay. So it's been appended
Gavin Tye:to the fifteen second pitch.
Mitchell Davis:Oh, yeah. The fifteen second pitch. I'm ready. Mhmm. Six sides is a mobile app that helps you make meaningful connections at events.
Mitchell Davis:We grow communities by empowering attendees, speakers, sponsors, and volunteers to connect with each other and make the most of their conference ticket. And then that's where it ends. But there was something in there. No doubt. No.
Mitchell Davis:This was all me. This is all me. I got no shame in using AI tools. This was all me.
Gavin Tye:So I did powers? I've never heard you say. It does empower. Hang on, mate. I'm just empowering myself to go to the toilet.
Gavin Tye:I've never heard you come on, mate.
Mitchell Davis:It was me. I wouldn't lie about it. Alright. Would tell you the truth. Alright.
Mitchell Davis:I'm not a big liar. Yep. I'll embellish, but I don't lie.
Gavin Tye:In the realm of conference apps.
Mitchell Davis:I didn't say realm.
Gavin Tye:No. No. Because that's because of GPT.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Anyway, so that's my fifteen second pitch. And then after that, we gotta tie in the associations and the organizers, but I'll leave that for the that's an exercise for the reader or listener. Alright? So Yep.
Mitchell Davis:What have you got, mate? You got something prepared?
Gavin Tye:Or Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. It's something It's good, is it? Yeah. You've been working it.
Gavin Tye:I've been thinking a lot about it. I've been doing a lot of lead gen this week. So
Mitchell Davis:yeah. Okay.
Gavin Tye:Alright. So our mission is to fundamentally help people better connect at conferences. Mhmm. Most people when they leave, they always wish they always wish they made better connections. And this extends to every side of a conference, of an event, all the six sides.
Gavin Tye:So from attendees, sponsors, event organizers, associations, speakers, and, and volunteers, people want, better connection, and it's, we're getting driven apart by AI. So this is why we've built six sides is to fundamentally help people connect. And if we can do that, they have then they'll build stronger community and be able to achieve their purpose better and help every event achieve the ROI that they're looking for.
Mitchell Davis:Well done. That's pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. Little mic drop.
Mitchell Davis:Okay. Okay. I see it. I think maybe a little wordy.
Gavin Tye:It's thirty seconds, mate. You cut it off at fifteen. That's not my fault. Yeah. I could probably send this.
Mitchell Davis:I don't know. We might have to time that. I reckon that could have been forty five seconds.
Gavin Tye:Oh, man. Come on.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. But it could have. I'm just putting it out there. Yep. Anyway, well done.
Mitchell Davis:I think between the two, we'll listen back on the recording. Maybe we'll we'll workshop it a little more. But Did you
Gavin Tye:see I tied in our mission? And Oh, yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. I noticed. Hopefully, the listener noticed.
Gavin Tye:It's next level. Right? You were just playing around in a kiddie pool. I was in a I was on the 10 meter diving board.
Mitchell Davis:Oh my god. No. No. Have tickets on yourself too. Jesus.
Gavin Tye:Well, you can get your tickets on to Laravel Live. We got a free ticket. If you can get over to Denmark, if you're in Australia, you can
Mitchell Davis:get You're unstoppable.
Gavin Tye:Mate. This is ridiculous. Yep.
Mitchell Davis:Well done. Yep. Alright. Well, we've done it. So we're not we're not pieces of shit, and we we we stick to our word here by completing our our goals that we set for ourselves in the previous week.
Mitchell Davis:So we did it. Yeah. Well done. Yep. Alright.
Mitchell Davis:Look. I wanna ask you, how does it feel, to be having a very first event under this system run-in another country?
Gavin Tye:I don't think the country to me, the country well, one where it's a little bit out of our control because if it was in Australia, we would be there. Yeah. And we would be trying to was it not only get our word out, but also help the help iron out any bugs. Well, when I say that, I would probably be contacting you to help you iron out any bugs. But Yeah.
Gavin Tye:It was a really busy day. Like, for me personally, I had some stuff going on with DealBuddy, and then I was also like, hey. Our conference app is being used right now. Like, it was a really interesting I felt really proud at the end of the day. I re today was a proud day.
Gavin Tye:It was a really proud day. Right? Yeah. It's like where it started. Like, it's all this.
Gavin Tye:We've been trying to get it prepared and it's like, we've opened the doors. We've opened our our KFC for the first time, and we've had our customers gone in and we knew that, you know, you were just putting the final licks of paint on. Yep. You opened the door and you're like, welcome. Just in time.
Mitchell Davis:Walk through the door. Yeah. That's time.
Gavin Tye:Polish and shit. Oh, hang on. Hang on. Let me put the lights in. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. It it feels really proud.
Mitchell Davis:How how about you? I think that's the right word for it. Yeah. I'm I'm very proud. I'm and not just of the technology side of things, but of what we've been able to accomplish and all of the stuff that's gone into this.
Mitchell Davis:Like I talked about at the start with dealing with Rasmus, like, six months ago or whatever. You know? It's been a long journey to get to this point and we have met like on both sides of this. We've kind of met right here, you know, five days before the conference starts or something like that. Yep.
Mitchell Davis:And, yeah, I'm stoked. I wish it had have happened two, three weeks ago. It just hasn't been possible, but we made it over the the finish line and seems to be resonating. People are using it. I'm seeing questions.
Mitchell Davis:I'm seeing upvotes. I'm seeing stuff in the gallery. Like, it's all there. So I'm stoked. I I like, I woke up this morning like, holy shit.
Mitchell Davis:Like, this is happening today. This thing that's been for me, this goes back to about this time last year before LariCon AU when I was writing this code base, the first version of it.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:And I'm thinking like, okay, I've got to build this in a way that there could be some future event that wants to use this thing. And, god, I don't know how I'm gonna find them, but like, you know, it starts here. I gotta write it this way. Yeah. To now like, oh, this is it's getting used by not an app, like, at a conference that I'm at.
Mitchell Davis:You know? It's yeah. So it's just like it's a big sigh of relief. You know?
Gavin Tye:Well, even now while we're talking, I'm just I'm refreshing the gallery every now and then, and you see new photos pop up. It's like, yeah. Awesome. Yeah. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:I had such a good feeling when last night, it was, like, 11:30 at night, and I looked in the app, and I could see Rasmus had just uploaded a couple of photos of, I guess, like, their organizing team. Yep. And it looked like they were having a ball. There were a couple beers in the photos, and they were just like look like everyone was having an awesome time. And that was great to see that, okay.
Mitchell Davis:Awesome. He's already, like, kinda setting the tone. You've gotta encourage people to be the first ones to put a photo in. So I remember doing that last year. And I was like, hey.
Mitchell Davis:Like, it's fun. Just get in there. You know? Don't be weird about it. It's fine.
Mitchell Davis:Like and so he did that and then to see they were having fun and to see the facial recognition work to tag them properly. Like, we Yep. Everything just worked. You know? And it it fuck.
Mitchell Davis:It feels really cool. So I'm stoked.
Gavin Tye:You've got your bounce back. Like, all that stress has been worth it. Like, it's to get to the end of the end of it and you go, oh, there's a result. Yeah. It's been good.
Gavin Tye:And even like, it's a little on further down our list, but we're talking about now is since this is up and running, I've been started doing lead generation and we've already booked a couple meetings. Right? So there's one it's it's too soon, but at least there's some calls to have have some conversations with some people and and at least start getting it out there into other people's hands and getting their feedback. I think the real the real benefit of this is gonna come in two weeks' time or a week's time when people can actually take those photos, and we're gonna do some cool stuff with it so they can then promote, hey, we were at Laravel Live. This was a great event.
Gavin Tye:And actually help Laravel Live build out their profile and actually, like, build awareness and help people, you know, continue on the conversation posts. And that's where I think our real secret sauce is. At the moment, it's just an event app that helps people connect. What we're gonna do later is when it comes after the event. So I think the best is yet to come.
Gavin Tye:The real value is yet to come. So, yeah, it's, yeah, I feel really proud. I feel really proud. And yeah, it's, it's fantastic. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Saying that lead gen mate, you said, you called me during the week, and you're like, I've got a goal. I was like, okay. Yep. Let's hit 300 k next year. I was like, holy shit a duck.
Mitchell Davis:That's what I said.
Gavin Tye:Because we
Mitchell Davis:originally, when we first were talking earlier in the year, was like, yep. I reckon we could get a 100 k in a year. Right? And and maybe, like, year one, you know, was kind of the thinking. I don't really see that happening with the time frame that we have left now.
Mitchell Davis:Like, it would that feels unlikely to get
Gavin Tye:It's impossible. Let's just yeah. That's let's be realistic. Yep.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. So to get to that by the end of this year, impossible. But the goal that I set, I was like, well, I'm not happy with just a 100 k. I and it was funny because I dropped it on you right at the end of this call. I was it wasn't like I was nervous about it or anything, but it was just like we had other stuff to talk about.
Mitchell Davis:And then at the end, I was like, fuck it. I'm just gonna bring it up. So why not? So I did. And I said, mate, I want us to do 300 k in revenue next year.
Gavin Tye:Mhmm.
Mitchell Davis:So that's the goal. And then we kinda started working, and you were like, yep. Okay. Great. And then we sat down and we, like, got a spreadsheet out and we tried to figure out, okay, you know, based on our average billing that we do at the moment, you know, for this size of event, how many events is that?
Mitchell Davis:And then how many of those is it per week? And, yeah, it was like, woah. Okay. This is a lot. So we got our work cut out for us to get it there, but that's the goal.
Mitchell Davis:That's what we're trying to go after. Yeah. Yep. And we'll see. It's it's a goal.
Mitchell Davis:Right? It's not a it's not like we have to meet it, but hopefully, you know, if we can, that's gonna be a really good good start to the business.
Gavin Tye:I think what it did it did highlight is our current only lead gen strategy of doing outreach will not get us there. It has to be something else. Right? Because it's just the market. We do not have the reach.
Gavin Tye:We cannot build trust that fast with that many people. We have to do something different. So, and we don't have to have the answers now. All we need to do is be aware that for do that, we have to have strategy on top of strategy. And part of that is product led growth or product led leads.
Gavin Tye:We're gonna call it for now. Yeah. Right. And then we wanna prove this out again. What happened at LaraCon for hopefully with every event leads to other events and where we wanna do the stepping stone on that, but shrink down the distance between one to the next.
Gavin Tye:So, it's, you know, got some really, good ideas there. Right? Like, and even looking at the sponsors for Laravel, like, how can you how can we offer value to them, or is there any way that we could offer value to them be post? Right? So I think there's lots of different things we can do at the moment.
Gavin Tye:We just have to get the foundational stuff to get an event app working, what we do on the other side. But, yeah, I think the question is when you I've I've I've had this happen to me before in another question. If someone says, do you think we can hit it? I was like, probably not. But that but that's not the question.
Gavin Tye:The question is how do we get there? And then that's different. That's a completely different opens up a different part of the brain. So, yeah, I've been thinking about it a lot and yeah, we'll see how we go. Price point.
Gavin Tye:One thing we need to raise our price point, which means go up further in the market, which is the next round of functionality. We'll hopefully do that.
Mitchell Davis:So, yeah, that's right.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, it's been it's been great. And, so just an update on lead generation. I've been using, your profile.
Gavin Tye:I've been been doing that. So I'm actually doing two different things. I'm trying to create a little bit of a competitive advantage or or familiarity with with your profile. Yep. I'm I've reached out to marketing executives and not for profits in Sydney.
Gavin Tye:So with the intention, oh, I didn't think it was gonna work there, with the intention of getting them to wanna meet, potentially and try to build a a Buddha relationship and then potentially get you in front of it. Like, it's easier for one of us to get in front of them if it's down near you, right, if we have to. But then on the in on the inverse, I'm doing me in Brisbane. So to try to actually bridge the gap and make them like so we can meet them in person. So
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Makes sense.
Gavin Tye:I'm doing a bit more. I'm doing some conference outreach, which I'm done on that one, which my first version, then I'm doing some life saving businesses, like organizations around Australia and New Zealand. So I've had some people connect on that, and then I've got some event managers. I've gone to event managers. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:The thing with this market, Mitch, I've been looking, we do not run out of of markets to go for. You can just, there are so many of them. I was looking I was trawling through event conferences today. I was like, I just look on the Gold Coast. I just look in Brisbane.
Gavin Tye:Like, you can go anywhere. There there's thousands and thousands and thousands of them.
Mitchell Davis:So Yeah. It's It's a big market. And that's like, again, a year ago, I was looking at that sort of stuff and thinking like Yeah. Yeah. How how big is this?
Mitchell Davis:Is this worth it? Okay. Every time I get a notification now, I've gotta, like, look. Right. This is from the app, but I don't know how to looks like it's just a network request.
Mitchell Davis:So Yeah. Every now and then, I was telling you earlier, we get these I'll get these, like, error messages from Sentry, and it'll be about, like, network request failed things like that. And it sounds all scary, and then you realize, like, how many requests actually fail on mobile because the network drops out of four g, five g. You disconnect from Wi Fi in the middle of, like, a request being made, and now that raises an error with us. And I'm just like, okay.
Mitchell Davis:It's fine. I don't have to worry about those so much. In in the future, I'll just make it so, like, the app will automatically retry that stuff, and it won't report it to us.
Gavin Tye:But Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Man, I'm, like, on edge at for this whole forty eight hours or seventy two hours, whatever it's gonna be. Every time I get a push notification, it's an email alert. I'm like, oh god. What's wrong now? Very stressful.
Gavin Tye:Yep. Well, mate, while you're doing that, I'm monitoring your your LinkedIn and my LinkedIn, so it's the same thing. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:I'm sure you're real stressed with that.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Mate, it's been it's been a ball terror. Yep. So, mate, it's, yeah, it's really see how that's gonna play out. We haven't got a plan.
Gavin Tye:We haven't got a plan for it yet.
Mitchell Davis:Yep.
Gavin Tye:You know, it would be so much easier if this grant comes through. Right? A lot of things have to align. Few things have to go away. We'd probably have to win one or two really big clients Mhmm.
Gavin Tye:To actually knock out a fair chunk of that stuff and then, you know, a few medium ones and then a lot smaller ones. So, yeah, we'll see how we go.
Mitchell Davis:We got our work cut out for us, but I think we can do it. Yep. And if not, we'll make a really good dinner.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Or we'll lie and tell people we did, we'll be fine.
Mitchell Davis:And you'll never know.
Gavin Tye:Don't you never know?
Mitchell Davis:We until we stop podcasting. Yeah. That's the sign that we were lying all along. You'd just be
Gavin Tye:a post on Blue Sky. It's over. It's over.
Mitchell Davis:Gavin's a dick. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. No.
Mitchell Davis:Anyway, so on that point, this is episode 26. So there's fifty two weeks in a year. We've done this now twenty six weeks in a row. It's not quite six months. I think that would probably be next week, but whatever.
Mitchell Davis:Fuck it. We're celebrating today. So Congratulations. Is a big this is a big week for us. We've got a lot going on.
Mitchell Davis:Our first event, we've done six months of podcasting. I've got a new office if you're watching on YouTube, so I don't have the crap behind me anymore. It looks pretty it looks pretty barren right now, but I'm over give me, like, a month or so. I reckon I'll have it looking pretty good, hopefully. That's the whole idea of moving into this office.
Mitchell Davis:And that happened to that as well. So, like, there wasn't enough other stuff to do. I moved, took about an hour and a half of my day today to move all my crap out of one level in this complex and move it to a different level.
Gavin Tye:So So you're up higher?
Mitchell Davis:I am up higher. You've been here. Don't Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. You've come. No. No. So but no one knows.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. So if anyone happens to be out at, Mount Mount Anon or Norellin?
Mitchell Davis:At Oran Park.
Gavin Tye:Oran Park in near Campbelltown.
Mitchell Davis:Yes.
Gavin Tye:Reach out to Mitch at Mitch at six sides. He'd love to have a coffee with you and shake your hand and you know?
Mitchell Davis:That's it. Yeah. I would. Absolutely. So yes.
Mitchell Davis:So that's exciting. We've got goals, some other big things. Not really. We have two more people on Slack that have joined us now. So we have Melanie, your lovely wife.
Mitchell Davis:She's joined Slack, and she's sending through any, like, stuff that relates to the accounting, asking for invoices, etcetera. I think we talked about that a little last week. But then we also had Roman who's our accountant and who was on episode 21 of this show. Yep. He's also in Slack now.
Mitchell Davis:So I'm guessing you've made all of this happen. It didn't just happen out of nowhere.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Well, Roman and I, he's in my my sales market fit Slack, and we're going backwards or forwards. And he's been just asking stuff about six sides. Was like, no. No.
Gavin Tye:Let's keep sales market fit and deal buddy in one conversation and because we muck around and talk shit a lot. Gotcha. And so let's talk about six sides. Like, you need to be included in it. Yeah, we wanna otherwise, I don't like, we don't want silos of information.
Gavin Tye:We wanna wanna segregate it. So you're included in everything. So, yeah,
Mitchell Davis:I being included in accounting. It's great.
Gavin Tye:Oh, yeah. It's brilliant. Especially, yeah, when stuff's coming in, when stuff's going out, it's not so good. Yeah. That's right.
Mitchell Davis:Anyway, it was good. So that's been nice to see. It feels more like a bigger business now, you know, with four people in our Slack plus then all the Denmark people. And we've got my in there too. Right?
Gavin Tye:Sorry? Chris, is he in there?
Mitchell Davis:He was, was he? Chris is in a Slack connect channel, so he's not it's like a it's the same as, like, Denmark and LariCon. It's kind of an offshoot. So he's not in all the general chitchat stuff that we're doing. But, yeah, it's nice.
Mitchell Davis:It feels like, yeah, it feels like a bigger business now.
Gavin Tye:It's growing. Right? It's it's also good because we don't have to pay them. Right? Or we we just pay them Roman for services, so we're not paying them an hourly rate.
Gavin Tye:That's right.
Mitchell Davis:So Salary.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. What what's now that, like, after Denmark and is over, we've got a bit of a break. What what's on your radar now? We're are we yeah. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Well, we have to sort out the after conference stuff. Right? We're gonna work on some rap videos for them and some Mhmm. Some imagery for collages if people don't do videos.
Gavin Tye:We need to work on the formatting there, but then we need to work on dashboards and and, like, the management of six sides for the, you know, for community building and stuff like that. Right? Where do you start from there?
Mitchell Davis:You're stressing me out, mate. This is way too much.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. You can't have it off. You've had enough of break.
Mitchell Davis:Oh, have I?
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Right.
Mitchell Davis:Ten minutes earlier, would I?
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yeah. Anyway,
Mitchell Davis:yes, there's a lot more to do as far as, like, a specific order. Yeah, we need to wrap up any Denmark related stuff. Mhmm. So deliver on any of the reporting or the value ads that we're doing for things after an event runs. Yep.
Mitchell Davis:We've covered the before and the during, but you're right. We've gotta do the after.
Gavin Tye:Yep.
Mitchell Davis:And then after that, it will be, yes, we need the web dashboard up because I can tell you it's been brutal. All these so Rasmus has been sending through every day basically like, hey, can you go add, you know, these tickets? We've just sold these tickets. Can you go add them? And that's on me because we don't have a way for him to do that yet.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. And it's not that bad to do, but, like, to add the four people that I needed to add before they kicked off today took me, like, ten minutes. Yeah. Right. And so that doesn't scale.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. And it's in particular, it's a bit slower because their database is hosted in Frankfurt. So for me to make any changes takes, like, a few seconds. And you and I have noticed this because when we're in the app and we're sussing out, oh, are there any photos in the gallery or who's in the list of attendees? The app feels so slow.
Mitchell Davis:It feels like it's been made by idiots. Right? But, it's because the data is hosted in Frankfurt, and I think we probably need to rethink how we do the whole, like, data data for an event only lives in that events region because it's god, it's really slow to access from here for an event that's happening on the other side of the world, and it doesn't have to be. It could be faster. So Yep.
Mitchell Davis:I think there's, like, room for change there Sure. Sure. In the future. That might And happen in the next month too.
Gavin Tye:Right? We'd have the traffic there, though. The the events. Right? I would imagine.
Mitchell Davis:Maybe. Yeah. Anyway, it's not a fully formed thought yet, but it's just something that I'm thinking about is, okay. This kinda sucks that the app is so slow from here for Yep. Just for their event.
Mitchell Davis:If I then go into an event that's hosted in Sydney, it's like very fast, which I'm Sure. I'm pleased with. So, anyway, that's just something that I'm thinking about. So getting back to the loading of information, I don't wanna load any information at all for Yeah. Volunteering WA or for LaraCon AU, both of which are in early to mid November.
Mitchell Davis:Right? So we need to have a dashboard up and running with all the stuff that at least I'm having to do Yep. Needs to be available to those organizers. So Sure. That's my only other, like, immediate goal and that I hope will happen by October.
Mitchell Davis:So Yep. Not a crazy it's only a month and a half away. Right? So, yeah, there's a fair bit to do, but I think we'll get it there. And if not, then I'll just do this manual stuff.
Mitchell Davis:You know? Yeah. What
Gavin Tye:it is. There's been a flurry of activity on the, gallery in the last five minutes. There's been a shit ton of photos come up. Mhmm. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:So I must have a break or something. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Because we did talk about using, like, Zapier or hooking into the ticket apps.
Gavin Tye:Right? If, someone we did speak to someone. So that's on your radar to do that. Right? There's some start integration stuff to look at some integration.
Gavin Tye:So I guess there's n number of ticketing things. Right? So you gotta make sure you don't wanna waste effort. So Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. I think that us integrating with other platforms is a while away.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:We gotta get our own house in order first.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Right? So Gotcha.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. And we'll talk more about that, you know, in a couple months when we when we're getting close to it. But Yep. Yeah. For now, we just need the dashboard up and running, I think, is the next thing.
Mitchell Davis:And then you and I, we're not we're doing our classic not talking about it, but kinda talking about it. We have so many other ideas of, like, fun interactions that we can make that I'm going to try and make some of them possible by November so that I can see people's faces at LariCon AU, and hopefully, they're having a great time with what we've got planned.
Gavin Tye:So That would the one we spoke about today, we're not gonna talk about it on on here. But
Mitchell Davis:Not until it's ready yet. No.
Gavin Tye:No. No. No.
Mitchell Davis:No. Maybe not even ever. Like, I don't know. It feels like a pretty good idea. So, anyway, enough teasing you with it, but we've got lots of ideas of fun things that we can do hopefully over the coming months.
Mitchell Davis:So Yeah. Anyway, we'll maybe we'll keep you posted.
Gavin Tye:Brilliant. Brilliant.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. So the plan for the rest of the night is I'm gonna be here for probably another hour. I might wait out this break that they're on. That would probably be smart. I've got the schedule here.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. Till 01:30, they have some entertainment. So the time yep. So one more hour. An hour and ten.
Mitchell Davis:So I'm gonna leave here at 09:30 Sydney time and head home, set up my computer there, and then just be on call until 1AM. You're gonna go get some sleep hopefully soon, and then you're gonna be up at 2AM. So
Gavin Tye:Yep. 3AM.
Mitchell Davis:Going on for us.
Gavin Tye:3AM. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:3AM?
Gavin Tye:Yep. 3AM. Are you how many how many people have or do we say 2AM?
Mitchell Davis:I thought you said two, mate, on this recording even.
Gavin Tye:No. I said three on this recording. Definitely said three. Okay. Yep.
Gavin Tye:The fact that it's going so well, I think I might have said two earlier in the week, but the fact it's going so well. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Well, that's true. It it is making me think like, yeah. Okay. This is probably a bit overkill.
Gavin Tye:Can you work on it on your laptop? If there's an issue, can you pull over in your car and and and fix it?
Mitchell Davis:It really depends on the issue, to be honest with you. Yep. So, like, this iOS 26 thing, I got no chance.
Gavin Tye:Like Yeah. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:It's just no time. But it depends if, like, maybe some things I could think of, like, okay, does a database need to be restarted because the CPU has, like, spiked to a 100% or something? Like, that, yes, I can do that from my laptop. I can do most things from my laptop, but Yeah. It's a crappy development environment, at least I think.
Mitchell Davis:So I will take my computer home with me and Yeah. The fear I have of, like, just being on my laptop is that I fall asleep. Yeah. Okay. So and I really like, I think it's very important that we meet this commitment
Gavin Tye:Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Of, no, we're gonna be there to support them right up to 5PM their time. Right? And then that's it. So
Gavin Tye:I I agree. I agree. So how many Anymore attendees joined since the since the end just as we wrap this up? We're at one forty two.
Mitchell Davis:Now we're at one forty five. Woah. So that's great. We've got I gotta refresh all the things and all of them take a few seconds to load. We've got 38 people enrolled in the game.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. We've had 21 questions so far across One two three four talks.
Gavin Tye:Are they using the emojis?
Mitchell Davis:That's one thing that I don't have any logs for. So I've got no way to know that myself right now.
Gavin Tye:Okay.
Mitchell Davis:But What do you mean now?
Gavin Tye:With in a report when we generate a report, we'll be able to get that out?
Mitchell Davis:No. I'm not recording it right now. So Okay. And because it's such a so for those who haven't seen it, we've got in the app this ability to, like, under someone's talk
Gavin Tye:Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:You can basically, like, spam emojis. It'll give you, like, four emojis on the screen, like a fire emoji or whatever, and you can go and then that does a little animation and appears for everyone else's phones that are on that same screen. Do you wanna try it now? Why don't you go into one of them? Let's just make sure it's even working.
Gavin Tye:Okay. So I'm looking in I'll go into.
Mitchell Davis:Go to Rasmus' talk.
Gavin Tye:Oh, you gotcha. Concurrency.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Alright. I want you to
Gavin Tye:fair amount of questions on one of those other ones. 10 questions. Got two questions. Sorry, Rasmus. Have you had memory leaks and weird issues?
Gavin Tye:I don't think they're talking about, Laravel. That's
Mitchell Davis:that's different. That's a medical issue. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Well, let's try and get a medical conference and get Rasmus in there. Alright. Alright. So if I do the are you looking at it?
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. I'm looking hey. Go on. Yeah. Just feel the I can't
Gavin Tye:see that. Like, you're too bright, mate.
Mitchell Davis:I can't
Gavin Tye:see it all.
Mitchell Davis:Go backwards. Well, I'm working on it. Go back.
Gavin Tye:Come on. So back back where you head.
Mitchell Davis:There you go. Oh, yeah. Hey. Look at that. Those on YouTube.
Mitchell Davis:We've done
Gavin Tye:it. Be do you know where it'd be good if you up the count they stayed up there, and there was a count?
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yeah. Be good.
Gavin Tye:But, you know I can't see really good ideas. I've just got no idea.
Mitchell Davis:You didn't even want me to build this fucking emoji thing. Alright? So it's a little late in the game for you to be dropping counts and shit on me.
Gavin Tye:Alright. This is the demise of six eyes. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Alright. Anyway, so, yes, I'm going I have so many things that I want to try and get in place by tomorrow. I wanted to do more today. It was bloody hard. I've been so tired today and then this move I lost two hours.
Mitchell Davis:But yeah. There's stuff that would have been great to get in there for them in time. As it is, I already like, I need to roll out the rap videos which has some work that needs to be done on it tomorrow along with this leaderboard as well that needs to go out tomorrow. So it's gonna be another probably an early start in a really long day. The emoji reaction counting stuff, I don't know if I'm gonna be able to have that ready for these guys, but I'm very confident that for any future events that we run, we're gonna be able to see like a timeline of Mhmm.
Mitchell Davis:Okay, this is when, you know, this you got a peak of fire emojis or whatever twelve minutes into your talk, that sort of a thing. Yeah. So
Gavin Tye:So and who's winning the, Tag Your It game?
Mitchell Davis:That's a good question. I don't have the leaderboard, at the moment, so I can't tell
Gavin Tye:you that.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. But I'll I'll be able to tell you tomorrow. Yeah. Can see that we've got lots of There's lots of photos. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:There's lots of photos. People are tagged in them. We've had 93 different lots of connections between people. Yeah. And we're registering that through these tags.
Mitchell Davis:So Yep. That's a good sign. So, look, it's all looking really good. The numbers look great. Got, yeah, there's just it's all going on, and it's all seemingly working.
Mitchell Davis:So I'm stoked. I'm really pleased with what we've been able to do and enough patting ourselves on the back.
Gavin Tye:You patting yourself on the back, mate. I haven't built it. So I'm just trying to hit a puff up your puff up your wings. But, yep, well done.
Mitchell Davis:Well, thank you. Consider them buffed. We've been
Gavin Tye:talking shit, mate. It's too late in the day, so let's let's wrap this up so people will come back next week.
Mitchell Davis:That's right. Fingers crossed they will. Alright. Where can people find me, mate?
Gavin Tye:Mate. Genes. On LinkedIn. Gavin Ty. Yep.
Gavin Tye:And also YouTube. Gavin Ty.
Mitchell Davis:He's still doing the videos. They're still good. Yep. I'll let you know when they're great.
Gavin Tye:Alright? Oh, fucking hell. Yeah. Alright. Thanks, mate.
Gavin Tye:And you, where can I find you?
Mitchell Davis:They can find me at Mitch Dav, in all the places. You can find me in the show notes, which I put a lot of care into every week. I don't know if people notice or not, but they're there. They've got all the stuff we talk about. I think they do.
Mitchell Davis:Care of it. So, you know, check them out. That's where you can find me online.
Gavin Tye:One thing that we spoke about last week, but we haven't got to just because of the the conference and stuff is lead feeder. I'll put that in the notes for next week too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:I did I listened back to the episode. God, you are the king of just derailing the outro. Hey.
Gavin Tye:In the beginning or at the end? Outro. At the end.
Mitchell Davis:Well, both. Yeah. I was I was done. I was ready to walk away, and then you've you've added something new. Anyway, yes, we're all over it, and we thank you for following along with what we're doing.
Mitchell Davis:This has been a huge milestone week, and we're really happy, and we're very glad that you're joining us for the journey. Alright? So come back next week, and we'll catch up
Gavin Tye:with you then. Alright, mate. Talk to
Mitchell Davis:you later. Bye.