Hey. I'm Mitchell Davis, a Laravel developer.
Gavin Tye:Mate, I gotta stop you. What's going on with your hat?
Mitchell Davis:You don't like the hat?
Gavin Tye:What's going on? You could eat dinner off that flat brim.
Mitchell Davis:You could. It's for those that aren't on YouTube, it's a LariCon hat from, like, three years ago maybe. What time is it? And it's like a like a US one, I'm pretty sure. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:I this, like, way back when. And, yes, it's not my style of cap. But I believe Laracon is going on, like, now or soon. Yeah. Michael's flying over there to The US.
Mitchell Davis:He just flew this morning. So sorry. It's not today. It's in a couple days then. But, yeah, this week, it's happening.
Mitchell Davis:So I thought, okay. In the in the spirit of my larable brothers and sisters out there, I thought, right. Let's let's rock the hat. But I might have to whip it around, and we'll go that way.
Gavin Tye:Looks like you're doing the podcast on the Regina table.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. There's no chance to sunburn in this thing. It is a flat rimmed cap. Let me tell you. Yep.
Mitchell Davis:Holy moly.
Gavin Tye:You have to
Mitchell Davis:get through
Gavin Tye:it. The door for you before, like, to go through it. It goes out past your arms. Anyway, I'm Gavin Tye, sales and marketing of Six Sides, and we're bringing you our b to b SaaS journey to document us building Six Sides.
Mitchell Davis:We are. Now for those that don't know, Gavin, why don't you tell us what is Six Sides? Because we've picked up some new followers. Maybe we'll get into that. You you tell us.
Gavin Tye:So our mission or our purpose is to help community driven businesses or organizations build stronger community through events, and that's by increasing connection and building awareness. There are fundamental principles that we're aligning to. And, yeah, that's what gets us up out of bed. That's what is making me, you know, helping both of us.
Mitchell Davis:Where are you going with this this sentence? Holy shit. There's some, I was gonna have to put some content warnings on that. I don't know.
Gavin Tye:Oh, mate. Come on. I've been doing I've been up to my neck in grant progress, and I was just channeling my grant writing.
Mitchell Davis:We're gonna get into that too. So you're in for a big episode today. I've got one hour, so we're gonna just fucking smash through this thing.
Gavin Tye:But We're doing something different today.
Mitchell Davis:Well, are, but hang on. Specifically for those that are new, yes, we're helping events and build communities and stuff, but we're doing it with a mobile app and there's a back end that specifically the, like, the thing that we're offering is a mobile app for events. So I think we could do a better job of making that a little clearer that that's how we're accomplishing it.
Gavin Tye:Right? I do agree. I've just written down here that let's both work on our thirty second pitch, and then and then we'll have them come on.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. Maybe we can do them both next week, and then the the audience can vote.
Gavin Tye:Do them both next week.
Mitchell Davis:Anyway, yes, we are doing something new. Why don't you tell us?
Gavin Tye:So typically, before we do a podcast, we'll jump online, talk for ten or fifteen minutes, and then figure out what we wanna talk about or sometimes have that content rich discussion before we even have the podcast. So today, I was like, let's not even talk because you're back from we have barely spoken over the weekend. Yeah. And so so let's just jump on. Let's just jump on and start talking now.
Gavin Tye:So it's all from the beginning. So
Mitchell Davis:yeah. Off the dome. I love it. You don't you
Gavin Tye:don't stuff. Too sunburn. So
Mitchell Davis:I'm not at
Gavin Tye:all. You took that out?
Mitchell Davis:No. Not true. Got a little bit.
Gavin Tye:You took that out.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. His hat's can really recommend his hat. No. I got a little bit of sunburn. So I've been in Bali for ten days.
Mitchell Davis:It's my first day back at work in now two weeks, and feels good. It was a really good time. I went with Nicole, my fiancee, her sister, and two of her well, our now shared friends. So five of us was awesome. We stayed at a few villas.
Mitchell Davis:If you haven't been to Bali, it's got like, it's it's really beautiful there. It's fairly affordable. There was plenty of nice food that we had, which was awesome. Probably the highlight for me food wise, we went to a Mexican restaurant, and I, like, I'd love margaritas specifically, and that was, like, the only time the whole trip and I'd in the past, I've got in trouble by having a few too many margaritas. This was the first time in the whole trip that I let myself have anything other than just like beer, bintang, they have.
Mitchell Davis:And so I was having plenty of bintang the whole trip, and then this was the one time that I had some margaritas, and I handled myself very well. So Wow. Wow. There was no issues there. So that was good.
Mitchell Davis:Got a question. The other, like, the other big highlight. Okay. Go on.
Gavin Tye:What's a shared friend? Is that like shared custody? Like, you gotta book in time with shared friends?
Mitchell Davis:Is that what it is? Yeah. It's friends that I they were Nicole's friends from high school Okay. Who we've now been together for ten years. So I have met all of her friends and become fairly close with them as well.
Mitchell Davis:So now they are shared friends.
Gavin Tye:If you were shared friends if they were close friends, you wouldn't call them shared friends. I'm just gonna call that out. Everyone's list who's listening would call that out. So and if you and Nicole ever broke up, let's not be under the illusion they would not be
Mitchell Davis:friends with They would be back to her friends. But I'm not just gonna say they're her friends, and then, like, I've got no idea I would talk with them at all. Fair enough. They are friends.
Gavin Tye:Yep. Fair enough. And I I know Mexican, mate. I I I learned Spanish when I was at school. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Really? Yeah. Como esta.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. Oh, yeah. Right.
Gavin Tye:That's all I know.
Mitchell Davis:That's it. That's the extent of your year nine language class.
Gavin Tye:That's the other. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:That's right. I don't know much Spanish, so I can't I can't jump in there. But, anyway, it was really good. The other thing that we did, a a hike up a volcano crater thing, and it was brutal. So we Nicole and I actually, like, opted out, and we got a bike ride shuttle up the mountain.
Mitchell Davis:Come on, Mitchell Davis. No. It just is what it is. It was like I I wanted to be honest the whole time it was happening. I was like, I'm gonna have to tell Gavin about this because, like, that's alright.
Mitchell Davis:There's no shame in it. I wasn't physically equipped to complete this hike. So we got we hike we hike probably for about half an hour, and it was just like, wow. I don't think we can keep doing this. What are you what are you holding up?
Mitchell Davis:Oh, your whoop.
Gavin Tye:You have a whoop. I gift to do a whoop, and you have yet to put it on. Maybe this is a good sign that you need to focus on your longevity.
Mitchell Davis:Get the health.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. That's right. So,
Mitchell Davis:yes, it's something that I'm thinking about a bit more, especially in light of this hike. But,
Gavin Tye:yes, we don't need be able that. Davis on that work that I gave you, so there's no reason that you can't at least put it on for four months.
Mitchell Davis:Okay. Thank you, Gavin, the personal trainer. That's great.
Gavin Tye:I will expect the notification today.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. No. Won't be today. I have so much going on, but maybe later this month. And no.
Mitchell Davis:No. But, well, you know all the context of why of everything that's going on at the moment. So Okay. Anyway, please. This is not the health podcast.
Mitchell Davis:Clearly. Anyway, so that was embarrassing, but the hike was well, the experience of being on the mountain was awesome. It was like an amazing view and we we did a sunrise hike. And, yeah, it was just beautiful. The guide that we had was actually an awesome photographer.
Mitchell Davis:I didn't know my phone could take photos that looked like that. So, yeah, that was really cool. And then we we did hike down it, and, man, it was like it was very steep. So I was very it it it brought me back to, like, climbing on, like, rock pools and stuff with my dad when I was a kid because, like, you gotta step on the right spots and make sure you don't, you know, slip and all this. I was very proud of myself that I didn't slip because we were seriously hiking down for maybe an hour and a half, two hours.
Mitchell Davis:It was like it was a big deal.
Gavin Tye:Going down is worse than going up. In many cases, it can hurt more.
Mitchell Davis:So Yeah. Yeah. And then I made the mistake of trying to sort of sidestep, like still going down the hill, but turn 90 degrees and because I knew like, okay, you can get better traction, but man, my left knee just was so in so much pain from it so yeah and it was in in pain for the next few days so anyway it was that was tough and a little humiliating but it was a really fun time. So, yeah, those were, like, the big highlights. But probably about six or seven days into this ten day holiday, I was like, okay.
Mitchell Davis:I feel like I'm ready to be back home. Like, it was kind of enough. And I'm not a huge traveler anyway. I like the experience of it, but I don't wanna be away for months and months. Like so yeah.
Mitchell Davis:So, anyway, I made it through and got home on Thursday night, and then it's now Monday. So I've had a little bit of time to Yeah. Nice. Recover and and get settled back in, which has been awesome. Yep.
Mitchell Davis:Cool. That was Bali.
Gavin Tye:Awesome. Mate, it's a good I've always wanna go to a top of a volcano and have a look. And, yeah, somewhere
Mitchell Davis:It wasn't a, like, volcano volcano I came to know. I thought we were gonna see, like, some lava or something. No. It was nothing like that. It was like steam coming out of some grass.
Mitchell Davis:So, yeah, it wasn't like a cool volcano. Apparently, there there is one, and it's, like, 3,000 meters. So it's like a twelve hour hike or something like that. It's ridiculous. So there's no way I would have made that.
Mitchell Davis:But anyway. Yeah. So I too would like to see a real volcano.
Gavin Tye:Yep. Awesome. Okay. Where do we start? Where do I start to oh, I've got you recommended I watch our I listen to our SaaS journey by the transistor guys, and it's been
Mitchell Davis:It's not
Gavin Tye:B2B B2B SaaS journey?
Mitchell Davis:What do they call it? No. Build your SaaS.
Gavin Tye:Build Yeah. I've been listening to
Mitchell Davis:so long.
Gavin Tye:At the beginning. And You
Mitchell Davis:like it?
Gavin Tye:Yeah. It's good. It it's a lot of similarities between you and I. Right? It's we're not Exactly.
Gavin Tye:We're not treading a new path. It's just six, seven years later because I started in 02/2018.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. I'm glad you're enjoying it. That's cool. Yeah. It's very similar.
Mitchell Davis:So that's totally the the idea for me of why we would wanna do this show was hearing them and their journey. So if you haven't checked it out, build your SaaS, check it out on, you know, whatever podcast app you use. They're going they went through some very similar stuff to what we're doing now and, yeah, it's just really great and they've they've become a very successful company. Small business, I think there's five or six employees now that they have, and it just feels like they've gone about it the right way, and that's kind of that has inspired me right since I started listening to it probably 2019 or something like that is probably when I clocked on to what Justin's doing. So
Gavin Tye:I think, the main thing that theme that's come out of there is that they're being authentic. Right? They're trying to do the right thing about the audience and not they talked about some other platforms on there about how they're forced to like, they do big revenue raises, then
Mitchell Davis:they gotta try
Gavin Tye:to, capital raises and try to generate revenue ways that aren't necessarily thinking about the end user. And we're trying to I I feel like at its core, we're trying to achieve the we're we're we're achieving we're trying to achieve the same thing. So, yeah, it's it's really good. They're at a 167 or something episodes. I it's gonna take me a while to get through it.
Gavin Tye:I probably won't get through it all. But yeah.
Mitchell Davis:It's, it's it's months of listening for sure. Yeah. I mean, that's the type of, like, legacy that I hope we build up with this show is, you know, if we keep doing this every week for a few years, at least we're gonna get to a 150 odd episodes. So
Gavin Tye:And if they were all CDs, we could stack them all on the brim of your hat.
Mitchell Davis:That's it. I'm turning it around now. I might expand it a little. It's a little it's a bit tight on the old noggin, but, we've talked about that before. So that's alright.
Mitchell Davis:There we go. Alright. Cool. So, what have you been up to while I've been away? That's my barley story.
Mitchell Davis:What have you been doing?
Gavin Tye:Yeah. So a few things in our personal lives. I mean, we're getting a re a kitchen redone. It's been an absolute mission, which is a story for another day, but that's been fun. So there could be someone knocking on the door soon to come and have a look at or do some work.
Gavin Tye:I have no idea what they're doing. They've complete the schedule's completely gone out. I keep making mistakes.
Mitchell Davis:So
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Anyway, that's that's going on.
Mitchell Davis:Of construction.
Gavin Tye:Yes. Yep. So there's a few things I've been working. We got approval to go through on another grant for Queensland, like, at the Ignite, Ideas Fund. And, so I've been spending I spent all last week and a lot of the week before doing that.
Gavin Tye:So it's it was comprehensive, and it's really made me rethink about rethink about the long term goals of the business where we'll be in three years or two years, even one year, how we would hire people, how we would support the economy here or the community. And, yeah, it's been really an interesting read. Yeah. The great thing is is everyone that, who are our customers have given us letters of support. And shout out to Holly.
Gavin Tye:Holly from Volunteer WA. She listens to this, and every time she hears a name, so she has a bit of a chuckle.
Mitchell Davis:Giggles. Yeah. That's right.
Gavin Tye:So
Mitchell Davis:Yep. Holly. Out, Holly.
Gavin Tye:Yep. Well, Volunteering WA supports this episode today, so we'll shout them out as a sponsor. Yep. And, yep, they've been fantastic to work with. And just getting an understanding of a particular Holly's mindset around what she's thinking, how she thinks it'll add value to her community, her pain points.
Gavin Tye:She brought up some really interesting challenges last week when we had a conversation. It was great. So I think that will go into our collateral. Yeah. I'm I'm gonna go over there in November to for the conference to support them and meet them shake their hand and yeah.
Gavin Tye:Looking forward to it. But but that's what I've been doing for the last period of time and doing some stuff in my other business.
Mitchell Davis:So Yeah. Well, it shows because I've had a look. You've done a really good job with it. You've sent me a message and asked me to fill in, like, just a couple questions, maybe two questions or something like that that were more technically oriented about, like, back end infrastructure, all this sort of stuff. But then you filled out, like, the other 98 questions in this thing.
Mitchell Davis:It's
Gavin Tye:a Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Gargantuan effort that's happened, and you've done a really good job with it. I found, like, maybe one spelling mistake in the whole thing, which I thought was incredible. And then there was, like, one other thing where you referenced like, there was a typo in a number or something like that in a goal that we were looking at. And I went through seriously, like, everything. I looked at it all, and I was just blown away with what you've been able to do literally in two weeks.
Mitchell Davis:So you must have spent hours on this thing.
Gavin Tye:It was quite a long time. Yeah. Thank thank you. Thank you for those words. Like, you're doing all this stuff on the development side.
Gavin Tye:Like, imagine it with just solo founders. You you just couldn't do it or one would be sacrificed. And you do your part, I do my part, and we help each other out when we need to run at the end where knocking off different different issues. Yeah. But I learned something really important before I doing this.
Gavin Tye:And so you could in the past, I've sat down and just filled out a grant and just answered the questions. Right? And then I'm it's happened to me three times in my life, and I'll talk about it in a second. Whereas I sat down before I started writing it, and I used GPT to do research into Advance Queensland and what their missions were and what their purpose was. Because people even the government doesn't do this for for fun.
Gavin Tye:They're doing this for a reason. Yeah. And so the Queensland government is doing this to inject jobs into the economy, help organizations have impact, And that that was part of the feedback they gave us in the in the email. So what I did is before I started is I did a lot of research into that. And so everything that I answered was in the frame of helping Advance Queensland achieve their their purpose, and we did it through our thing.
Gavin Tye:And it was really No. Yeah. And it's happened I learned this a few years ago when I was at Redeye, but it's happened three at least twice that outside of work. And and one time was my mom, god god rest her soul. She passed away in, in January.
Gavin Tye:She, she was done a lot of work. We I have I'm I'm a guardian of these two mentally impaired men. Like, this 56 years old that they've been in my life for a long period long time. My mom and dad fostered them when I was a when before I was born, because they they had trouble having children. Anyway, so what happened was when when mom got pregnant with me, my dad's, sister, Thelma, took them and and adopted them and looked after them.
Gavin Tye:You know, she passed away it would have been twenty years ago maybe. And they were down in Sydney by themselves. And the boys are okay, but they're very trusting and the people were taking advantage of them. And so mom got them up here in Queensland, looked after them, and she said, look. I'll look after them and be their guardian.
Gavin Tye:But when I pass away, can you look after them? And I was like, yeah. Sure. So I remember the knock of cash on channel nine's the Today show? Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Do have a note? Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yeah. A little.
Gavin Tye:So I I I saw it come up once, and I know what they're, I know what they're looking for. Right? I thought, what am I looking for if I'm a producer of Channel nine? And, I wrote I put mom in, and I said, mom is really, like, selfless. She looked after Warren Wayne.
Gavin Tye:And I thought, if someone just reads it, they'll call us. Anyway, I forgot I did it. And about six months later, they called me and said, hey, Gavin. We've read you. Knock a cash.
Gavin Tye:We wanna give your mom $10,000. I was like, brilliant. Wow. So they come down there and knocked on the door, and, Stevie Jacobs was like, she'll she'll talk. Right?
Gavin Tye:She was like, yeah. Yeah. Sure. She'll be fine. My mom froze.
Gavin Tye:She was absolutely I wish I I wish I had the video here because I just I'll I'll give it to you in the show notes. But Yeah. She froze. She wouldn't come out, and then she wouldn't talk, so I had to jump in. But that was one time framing it for the people reading.
Gavin Tye:And and the other time is I I got a watch in my wedding and had a competition to, go down to the tour down under, the cycling thing down in Sydney. And they said for a 100 words or less, why should you go? Why should you be be chosen? It was, like, a $3,000 holiday. Right?
Gavin Tye:The the watch was 4 and a half thousand. Like, it was a lifetime thing. Anyway, so I wrote it, and, and it shouldn't and it wouldn't work anyway. So I sent it, and I emailed them. And I was like, hey.
Gavin Tye:Just so you know, that link's not working. And they replied back and said, oh, it does work, but you've gotta be less than a 100 words. I was like, one zero two or something. And I was like, well, don't oh, let me save you some effort. Just put me on the list because otherwise, you gotta go through everyone.
Gavin Tye:I'd really appreciate the the holiday. Just add me to the list, and and then, you know, and then that's one thing you don't have to worry about tomorrow and, like, next. And she's like, I'll see how we go. Anyway, five days later, they said, you're on the list. You won.
Gavin Tye:So, yeah, I got I got a holiday. So I always try to put
Mitchell Davis:myself how we go is not a good sign. So, yeah, that's that's unreal.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. I've got it. So but since then, I've tried to learn to put myself in the shoes of the reader. Right? Yeah.
Gavin Tye:And help them achieve what they wanna achieve. And that's what I've tried to do with this grant. You know, they Mate. They're doing great things for the economy, and I'm just we're just trying to help them. We're trying to be a vehicle to help them do that.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. I can see you're buttering them up. You're gonna send them this recording as part of the submission.
Gavin Tye:Might be a post.
Mitchell Davis:Excellent. Well, yeah, it's it's fantastic. I was blown away with what you've been able to do. I think it sells us it, like, puts us in a really good light. Hopefully, they agree.
Mitchell Davis:You're I think you said you're looking to submit that at the end of this week. You're waiting on, these letters of support from our three customers. So Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. I've got one. I'm just waiting for two more, and then I've gotta I wanna go through and just have a relook at it Yeah. Again, and then I'll submit it by Friday. Then that's well I think the deadline's Monday, so we'll get it go
Mitchell Davis:ahead. Okay. Yep. Excellent. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Well, we're very thankful to our three customers that have all said, yes, they're willing to do this, which is fantastic. Like and it was three for three, which is just awesome. Feels really good that, okay, we've got people in our corner. Not only are they paying customers, but they're willing to help us, you know, get some help. Yep.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. So we're very thankful for that. So if you're listening, thank you. Alright. Cool.
Mitchell Davis:Mate, what else should we should we talk about?
Gavin Tye:You've got my decision to build in public and be a bit more sharing about what I'm doing. Yeah. I think you all kinda cue me whether I wanna talk about that or not.
Mitchell Davis:Oh, yeah. Let's do that. So you you did message me, what, probably a week or two ago now and said, mate, I'm starting to think about I wanna pivot my, like, persona and and my my topics and things that I'm talking about to be more build in public. So why is that?
Gavin Tye:Because it I think there's well, there's a couple of different things. As we're always told to have a single focus and don't get diverted. And I like, inherently, know that. Right? But we've been positioned I think, personally, like, I'm only talking from my own perspective.
Gavin Tye:I mean, like, I'm so privileged to be in this position at the moment. Like, you and you come to me with this great concept of an idea when with with event kit at the time, And then we've we've molded that together, and now it's it's turned into six sides. And I think we're at I think this is probably an idea of a lifetime, to be honest, if I think about it. And, like, we have to work on it, obviously. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:And then I always had my other business sales market fit. And then so we agreed to do six sides together, and I'm Yep. 100% committed on it. Right? But then we also I've also had this other business sales market fit, and that's been getting traction as well.
Gavin Tye:And then as it's evolved, I've moved into this, I would say forced. Right? As forced to iterate into a platform using AI like a sales coach. Right? I'd I don't I think if I had have not done that, I just think I'd be chasing my tail all the time, and and it would I would not have been progressing the business.
Gavin Tye:I think I needed to do it, so I was forced into do it. Otherwise, I'm not doing my clients a serve I'm doing my clients a disservice. Yeah. Because I could see a gap in our consult in the consulting and then not permeate permeating down into the sales team the sales teams. Right?
Gavin Tye:And so eventually so I created Deal Buddy. And logically speaking, I know that that's probably a silly idea because if they both take off, then it's gonna stretch time and resources, in particular, when I wanna be a dad first mission, a philosophy in my life. Like, so we're trying to figure that out, and we're talking about how to structure that, like, as a, you know, the same software stack to a degree, the same strategy to a degree, and all this kind of stuff. But my LinkedIn messaging is disparate. I can't talk about one at if I talk about one, it affects the other.
Gavin Tye:Right? Because they're they're not connected. They're they're a different business.
Mitchell Davis:So Yeah.
Gavin Tye:I've been sitting there for ages. And because all my messaging on LinkedIn is around sales strategy and sales market fit, which is gonna be an issue in the future when when when Six Sides gets traction and we really start ramping up. That I don't think that's sustainable. And I'm not gonna have two LinkedIn profiles. Right?
Gavin Tye:We can't run yours as the primary one because that's gonna stop you from doing what you wanna do. And so I've been thinking about everyone says you can't do it. And I'm like, well, maybe you can't in the way that you currently think. But what if you could and and, like, run two businesses and build two successful businesses? Plenty of people do it.
Gavin Tye:So even part of our conversation with Roman last week, which went really well, which has been our highest
Mitchell Davis:I wanna call that out as well. Yeah. Let's let's give a shout out to Roman because that episode was really good. He gave a lot of, like, very helpful insights. I was listening to the the whole thing in a in a car in in Bali on my way to get a massage.
Mitchell Davis:And, yeah, it was it was great. And you guys have such great chemistry. So Yeah. Shout out to Rome.
Gavin Tye:It's our highest listened podcast to date, like, in in the short window.
Mitchell Davis:So Yeah. I think it really helped that he shared it as well out to his audience.
Gavin Tye:So, yeah, that that was great. And so there's so there's so many lessons there. Like, you're saying, like, you don't give up a good you don't give up successful businesses. Like, why would you do that? And he goes, so you just gotta make it work.
Gavin Tye:And I'm like, okay. So, you know, I wanna be authentic and learn lessons, and and I'm applying both strategies to both businesses. I'm learning lessons from one and applying it to the next. I'm like, I'm just gonna share like, I wanna share that journey and how it is. I don't know if that sounds arrogant.
Gavin Tye:I don't know if people will find it useful.
Mitchell Davis:I don't think it's arrogant at all. It's fun. It's really fun to talk about what you're building and what you're working on, and that's like that's the content that I enjoy putting out. Not like advice for, you know, businesses that are thinking about building technology and stuff. I've that's never really resonated with me.
Mitchell Davis:But just like talking about what you're doing at the moment Yeah. Is really powerful. It's inspiring. Sometimes it can be demotivating. I know Ian Landsman just talked about this on the Mostly Technical podcast, which is another one maybe you could get into, Gavin.
Mitchell Davis:But I'll put a link to it in the show notes. But, yeah, Ian was saying that, like, he started tuning out a bit of Twitter and Blue Sky and this is the journey that I went on over the last year just seeing what people put up and they're sharing like, oh, just hit this MRR milestone or I just built this thing and it's so great and I'm like the best in the world and blah, blah, blah. Sometimes it can be like, woah, this is crushing. You know, if you feel like maybe you're not there or you're not able to work on those fun exciting projects every day or whatever and I feel a bit of that. So I've kind of backed out.
Mitchell Davis:I haven't been on any social media really in in a long time for this reason, but Ian was talking about, well, maybe it's just you just post what you're doing and don't read anyone else's stuff. Yeah. So that way you get, like, it's best of both worlds. So Yep. That might be I know you're not necessarily talking about finding other people's stuff demotivating, but I know I feel that maybe other people do as well.
Mitchell Davis:So that's something I'm thinking about doing.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Look. And I don't like talk I don't know if this is true or not. I don't like talking about myself. I feel like I don't like talking about myself or putting out success.
Gavin Tye:There's no I don't have any testimonies or case studies, testimonials or case studies. I just would rather do it and help my clients. And then I'm a sales guy. I know that's not very smart. One of my clients the other day at Sales Market Fit, she said, I finally closed this big company and it's worth and I said, how much is it worth?
Gavin Tye:She goes, 500,000. I was like, that's awesome. She goes, it's actually 5,000,000, but the first iteration is 500,000. I was like, holy fuck. That's amazing.
Gavin Tye:And I'm like, I need to capture that better. But I don't yeah. So I'm trying I'm toying I'm not I'm gonna do it. I'm doing it, but I've just got to figure out how to do it and what's authentic because I'm not a self promoter when it comes to that stuff.
Mitchell Davis:It's hard. Right? It's really hard to not for everybody. Some people do it amazingly well, and, you know, they've got, like, a good solid ego. I've got some ego.
Mitchell Davis:I do not wanna write about myself. It was, like, so hard put if you look in our show notes, our, like, description where we both go, like, Mitra Davis runs Atlas and blah blah blah. Like, god, that was difficult. And that was that was chattypity that I used, but it's awkward to, like, write about yourself. And, but, you know, we we are experts, in the different areas that we
Gavin Tye:Even I hate that word. I think we're knowledgeable. We're above Aboriginal. And to be honest, Mitch, it's gonna be harder for you to talk about yourself if you keep wearing a hat.
Mitchell Davis:You and this fucking hat. Let's see. I'm gonna buy you one of these hats.
Gavin Tye:Well, Mel's in here. I'll get her to come and look at the hat.
Mitchell Davis:She's coming. This will be great audio. You wanna have look
Gavin Tye:at come come around and have a at the hat.
Mitchell Davis:It's fine. But it's specifically a LariCon hat. That's the part that people need to know. Yep. I'm supporting the cause.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. It's awesome. Yeah. It's awesome. She said that shit.
Mitchell Davis:No. I didn't.
Gavin Tye:They can you're on the podcast, and people can hear you. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:That's right. Now we gotta tag Mel as another Contributor. We gotta tag her. Try as a guest on this episode. Yep.
Mitchell Davis:Anyway, I think it's really great. I'm very pleased that you're wanting to do more building public stuff, and that's something that I'd like that's my jam. So Okay. When you send that through, I was like, fuck yeah. This is great.
Mitchell Davis:Let's do this. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:So that that could be a question. So if anyone's watching this on YouTube, which they're probably not gonna get to thirty one minutes before we actually start talking about it, or if anyone's listening to this on the podcast, if you are I don't know. What interests you? What do you wanna know about this? Like, not not just me about, or if there's common lessons across both businesses.
Gavin Tye:If that does interest you, can you send a can you just send me a quick email at or or send me a message on LinkedIn? What would you like to hear about that? Because I'm I'm open booking to share it. So Yeah. Both are very different sales strategies, but but both, we're trying to get to a kind of a viral con component.
Gavin Tye:Well, self generating. Let's not call it viral. But Yeah. Is it what interests you on that topic? And, even Mitch, you're same.
Gavin Tye:You've got two businesses more more more than me. Yeah. So what interests If you could call email us at Journey at Six Flags and let us know or message me on LinkedIn, Gavin Ty, and or Mitch Dav as well Yep. On LinkedIn. Please please let us know, and we'll make sure we answer those questions.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yep. Okay.
Gavin Tye:Alright. This one, four x my salary. Like, this is interesting. You give the context, and then I will I'll tell you my thoughts on my side.
Mitchell Davis:So as I was reading this grant submission that Gavin's put together, we it got to a section where we had to explain why we wanted how we came up with this budget, you know, that we were requesting of something like $97,000 or something like that. And then you you step through and they kinda break it down, and you have added all of the so you don't ask for a figure. You put in things and it adds up to a figure. Right? So you have to justify at each step.
Mitchell Davis:And I have a look at the there's a section on salaries or something like that. Personal founder salaries or something. I don't know. Whatever. Anyway and I go through, and it's like, you can only have 20% of the total, like, amount that you're requesting can go towards salaries.
Mitchell Davis:And so for us, that would be about $20 of this grant. Right? I'm like, okay. And then I'm expecting to see 10,000 and 10,000. But instead, what I see and somehow, you might have to check if you've got this right.
Mitchell Davis:I see 5,000 for a technical cofounder, and then I see a total of 20,000 for the sales or commercial cofounder or something like that. And it didn't have names next to them, just had our roles. Mhmm. And I was like, okay. I'll remember this.
Mitchell Davis:So I took a screenshot, and I sent it into Slack, and I'm like, okay. Interesting. And then I and then you cracked up and started trying to explain yourself, and I thought, right. Let's save it for the show. So That's funny.
Mitchell Davis:You why don't you justify to me, Gavin, why you're worth four times as much as I am, but we're 50% equity?
Gavin Tye:It comes down to just one thing, Mitch. It's value. No. And look. Do you know in Inhore when you sent that through yesterday, I laughed.
Gavin Tye:Right? And and I think you laughed too. And after a
Mitchell Davis:100%,
Gavin Tye:that could have gone another way. Like, if we didn't trust each other implicitly, you could have gone, what the fuck? Like, what the fuck are you doing? Like, if we didn't could have. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:That never crossed my mind at all for even a second.
Gavin Tye:And even I was telling Mel, and I'm like, that could have been without the right context. That could not that could have gone a lot worse than what it did. And the reason for it at the end of the day is because this is a commercialization project, and it's not a technical project. And The grant. Yes.
Gavin Tye:The grant. So I'll be spending more time on the commercialization side, so more effort will be spent on that side, and that's the context behind it. Yes. You'll be involved in part of it. And that was the reasoning behind it and to give the context.
Gavin Tye:Because if it was fifty fifty, that could say, hang on a sec. Your technical founder, he's gonna be doing more of the technical stuff. Right? Yep. He is.
Gavin Tye:Okay. Well, you're not eligible for that. Yeah. So I can defend and give context around why it's a it's 15 and it's fifteen and four four, so it's less than 20. So so that was the context behind it.
Gavin Tye:But at the end, what whether or not that is, whatever the reason, but the thing is is we handled it. It was a lot of trust there. Right? And you're not like, he shouldn't have fucked me over.
Mitchell Davis:No. Yeah. Yeah. No. Not at all.
Gavin Tye:But it could go like that.
Mitchell Davis:It could have. Yeah. In certain businesses. So if you and I weren't yeah. The the way that we are and there wasn't this built up trust over years, then, yeah, a 100% that could have been a very awkward conversation.
Mitchell Davis:But I think very interesting you didn't put it in front of me and say, hey. Just so you know, I'm this is what I'm doing, and this is why I wanna take, you know, four times the salary that
Gavin Tye:you're gonna be barley for one, and then you didn't wanna talk about it for two. And That's
Mitchell Davis:not true at all. We were still messaging.
Gavin Tye:Oh, yeah. Mate, you have saw how big that the bloody doc was. I can't tell you every thoughts of it. Yeah. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Okay. Right. Anyway
Mitchell Davis:we're gonna have to put it another
Gavin Tye:man, I reckon we said that fuck about 10 times in this episode.
Mitchell Davis:It's the
Gavin Tye:most we've ever said
Mitchell Davis:it. It's
Gavin Tye:gonna happen to have
Mitchell Davis:We're excited.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yeah. That's alright. So It's good. But that was the reasoning behind it, and I laughed at the end, and it was like, that was funny.
Gavin Tye:Like Yeah. And I'm so glad that we have that basis of trust. Right?
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. That's right. Yeah. Yep. So, no, it's it's all good.
Mitchell Davis:It's just funny. It really jumped off the page at me because I I'm super detail oriented. And I told you I'm going through every section in this thing, and sure enough, I found the one part where you wanna knife me in the back. So
Gavin Tye:Yet you chose the hat, and you're
Mitchell Davis:still telling me this hat. Mate. That's it. That's it. I've had enough of this hat slam.
Gavin Tye:Put it on your LinkedIn profile for a week and ask people to vote on your hat and see what they say. Yes or no to the hat. Is it poll?
Mitchell Davis:Not building in public. No. That is public ridicule.
Gavin Tye:That's criticism in public. No.
Mitchell Davis:I don't need that. That's alright.
Gavin Tye:Oh, so you're not that confident anymore. Yep. Gotcha. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:There's a reason I haven't worn this hat myself I know. In, like, the three years that I've had it. I know. It's because, yeah, I put it on, and it looks ridiculous. My head is not made for this hat.
Mitchell Davis:I get it. But I'm wearing it to show support for the Laravel crowd that's happening right now, and I think you've you've ridden on me a little too hard here, and I feel like
Gavin Tye:But do you
Mitchell Davis:think so? Maybe we should end the podcast now.
Gavin Tye:So could you turn your head to the side a little bit?
Mitchell Davis:Okay.
Gavin Tye:Alright. And then move your head back. Looks like a pickup driving away. Alright. That's it.
Gavin Tye:That's the last one. That's the last one.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. Alright. Alright. Let me turn it around now.
Gavin Tye:So the question is, what would we do with that grant money is is at the end of the day. Right? I think the if we was if we were lucky enough to be successful, in the grand money, what we wanna do is help communities and community based organizations and our clients build more awareness to support their community. That's essentially what we wanna do. Yes.
Gavin Tye:And we would do that by going to trade shows and seeing people and, hiring just figuring out, how to make that more streamlined to help them build more awareness better. Right? And I think and then once we do that, the natural outcome of that will be I think, well, us, we'll have to grow as a business from our side. We'll have to get support, and we could either hire some subject matter experts in Queensland to help to help us amplify the message there. I've got a few ideas on who to do that, who to who to help there.
Gavin Tye:But also, you know, helping young young kids, you know, in school, like school based traineeships or something or helping them. I've got some ideas on that, like my daughter's school going up to them and saying other people in media studies who are doing video editing that could maybe help us edit some some content or something like that, but to help them up skill skill in real world scenarios. But we would have an indirect impact on the economy and a direct Yep. I'm imagining if we can help them build more awareness, raise more money, they're gonna have to hire more people in our client organizations to support their communities better. So I think there's a multiplier effect that I think that if we keep that in mind, essentially, that's what I want us to do.
Gavin Tye:Right? Yeah. If we can do that, then we win.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. Yeah. It's certainly compelling. Yeah. Reading through, that jumped out to me about the, like, student internship stuff, like that angle.
Mitchell Davis:I've never been in any business that's had anything like that. So that would be really cool. Very interesting. Potentially, like a bit of a time sink, but, you know, probably worthy for the community. Right?
Mitchell Davis:So and that's a big part of what this grant is trying to address. So Yep.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. I do think in time, yeah, you are right. If we do want to hire school based people now, a lot of our time's gonna be spent. There is time that goes into supporting those and upskilling them. And if we're two of us that don't have full time attention at the moment, that's probably not the right thing.
Gavin Tye:But in time Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:It's longer term.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Or they've already got a set of skills that we can utilize. And as a back part, like a subsequent part, they can be involved in some other things and learn about the business, right, through osmosis. So, yeah, there's a I just think there's such a good opportunity to help others from this, and and we'll get there eventually. I just think this will accelerate our timeline by a good twelve months.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yeah. Yep. It's really exciting. So in there, you've talked about so in the grant and specifically to build up this budget of almost a 100 k, you've talked about some marketing strategies potentially engaging with, like, some agencies to do some marketing work.
Mitchell Davis:Mhmm. I think there's some outreach in there as well. Is that right?
Gavin Tye:Yeah. There there'll be some lead generation work to go in there as well. Like, we're doing some of it now. Yep. Though with I showed you what I did with my other platform deal by the other the other day on generating some white paper for a potential client, and that's a game changer.
Gavin Tye:That will give us more ability to target people specifically. Yeah. So yes. And there's a lot of other things, marketing and lead generation. Yep.
Gavin Tye:Conferences, even running some pilots for some businesses that go, hey. We'll run it for free. Measure. And because we're no one on backside of that, we'll hopefully get a couple of clients. So, yeah, there's a few different avenues.
Mitchell Davis:Anyway alright. So, look, that's the grant. I think we've covered that now. We will keep y'all posted on how we go. So maybe next week, if you're submitting that, you can just give us an update.
Mitchell Davis:And then if we hear back, good or bad, later in the year,
Gavin Tye:we'll let know. Think the timelines they're saying that the grant will be released in in December. So we're months away from it being, getting we you just don't know how long it takes from that giving you feedback, so we won't expect to hear anything. We'll forget about it before we get feedback.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Cool. Okay.
Mitchell Davis:Sounds good. Well, why don't we talk a little bit well, a lot about Denmark and the app and where everything's at? So Yeah. Laravel Live Denmark will be our first paying customer on our new infrastructure, and it is happening, I believe it's the twenty first. Yep.
Mitchell Davis:The August 21
Gavin Tye:in Denmark.
Mitchell Davis:So I've been working really hard while I was away on this holiday and then some since I got back on well, since, like, Friday Friday afternoon, I started working on the app again. Over the ten days that I was away, I'd estimate I spent probably about twenty hours or so working on the mobile app. And it's funny. I've got some great photos of, like, my view as I'm at my laptop and I'm you know, the whole time I'm using the app on my actual phone and so because there's some things that are just better when you're working on a mobile app on your phone instead of using, a simulator on your computer. Mhmm.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. And so I've got lots of photos that I took of, like, a view from I'm in, like, a a bedroom that's lit up and then outside directly outside of that, like, glass door, there's a pool. It's beautiful outside, and I'm just inside, like, sad sack. Fuck. I can't believe I'm having to work on this thing.
Mitchell Davis:Anyway
Gavin Tye:Can you post about that on LinkedIn. Put a post up saying, hey. Look. It's not easy being a founder and, like, do your thing. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Sure. Do that?
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. I could do that. Yeah. Okay. That's a good building in public.
Mitchell Davis:Today? Maybe. Maybe I can release something in to coincide with, the episode coming up tomorrow. But, man, I got so many things to do. So Yep.
Mitchell Davis:Let's let's unpack it. So, anyway, I did a ton of work during these twenty hours. I I think I had maybe two days where I spent probably eight hours because we had plenty of downtime, you know. So I probably had two full working days and then, like, a little bit of work on one of the other days, and that was about all that I could actually do. And it went really well.
Mitchell Davis:During that time I built out the new comments UI so we had talked about on a previous recording episode 20 the new comments UI being inspired by Instagram. Yep. So I actually got that fully working now. Works really well. I think it looks pretty good.
Mitchell Davis:You seem pretty happy with it, which is great. It's a nice for those in the know, it's a bottom sheet is what it's called where, like, you have a little thing that pops up out of the bottom of the screen there like Instagram comments do. So I've started using that bottom sheet functionality to have something slide up at a few different spots in the app. So I got that working, the comments fully featured, and then I got the gallery working as well. So prior to me leaving, we had a a gallery, but it wasn't really built out yet.
Mitchell Davis:You would tap onto a photo and then it would kind of navigate you into a new screen and just show you the photo. There was no like ability to zoom in or, tap on any like, names or whatever. So over this time that I was away, I got the gallery working. So now you can, like, you'll tap on a photo and then it opens up and you can swipe left and right to go through, like, all of the photos like you would expect to see in your own photos app on your phone. But then also you can download it, like, out of the gallery onto your phone.
Mitchell Davis:You can share it out to, like, Twitter or whatever. There's, like, a share sheet thing that pops up. Then I also got the ability to see, like, who uploaded this photo, and then you can tap on them and it takes you to their profile. What I still don't have working yet is the the facial recognition, but that's literally on my list to get finished this week. So I've got a few things left to do this week, and I'm actually going to we haven't talked about this yet because we just started the recording straight away, but I'm gonna enlist Chris' help for the first half of this week.
Mitchell Davis:So Chris who works with me at Atlas, the development agency that I run, I think we're down to the wire now basically to get this up and into the app stores to allow an appropriate amount of review time. So we saw
Gavin Tye:that overnight come back with some feedback?
Mitchell Davis:They did. Yeah. So they came back. So I submitted the the production app knowing that it's not fully ready yet, but I submitted it to the App Store to get, like, up for public release because we know that just from past experiences and rolling out other apps that I've worked on in the past for clients or for our own apps, like for for LariCon last year, the initial release that you do for a mobile app up on the App Store and Play Store often can take considerably longer to get reviewed and approved. I don't really know the reason why.
Mitchell Davis:It's just what we've experienced. So you and I talked probably in episode 20 about getting the app up with, a version that's not ready yet, and we just won't tell anyone yet. We won't obviously advertise to any of the attendees that will be using it so so that we could eat that, like, lead time that it takes to get that first release approved. So I submitted that. I think it was on Friday, and then we heard back last night.
Mitchell Davis:And I I don't think they work on weekends, so I was actually surprised that we got any feedback over the weekend. But we heard back last night that it was like, okay. You've got some things that you've gotta clear up. And I I just looking at the email, I couldn't actually spot what it was that they had a problem with, so I gotta figure that out. But, anyway, I will go through we're gonna resubmit builds basically every day this week because we're we're working on it.
Mitchell Davis:And as I was talking about before, I'll have Chris help me out on this. So he's not super strong with front end stuff and and mobile app work. He knows, like, a decent amount, but he's not strong with, like, design and building out new pages and things like that. He's much more of a back end developer, but I think it's like, okay. It's time.
Mitchell Davis:I just need a little extra help. So he can get some screens, you know, 75% of the way Yep. In the app, and then I can come through and just kind of polish them up.
Gavin Tye:So So as far as being on track for Denmark, we're we're on track right where we're starting
Mitchell Davis:to go. Yep. I'm gonna have it finished, the app fully production ready by Friday this week. So that's going to give us, think it's something like twenty days or so until the event. And then all of that time will go towards the reviews.
Mitchell Davis:So we will do the
Gavin Tye:and stuff.
Mitchell Davis:Well, yeah, that's right. I mean, there's things to be done on their side, on Laravel Live Denmark's side to send us some information. I saw that over the weekend you had contacted them and they came back with some stuff, so I'm gonna check all of that out and make sure that we've got their event configured correctly. Yep. In time, that will all be done self-service.
Mitchell Davis:Sure. That's the idea so that any event organizer can go add their own event to our platform and then run it through the app. But for now, you know, I'm gonna have to go in and do some of that stuff manually, and that's totally fine.
Gavin Tye:Yep.
Mitchell Davis:So, yeah, we are on track. And then, Mark, if you're listening to this, you you guys, we are on track, and we do have your back. It's just this the timeline is a little tighter than I would have liked. So Yep. Yep.
Mitchell Davis:It has been stressful, but I know that we're going to deliver it. And I can't wait, hopefully, on next week's recording to be like, yep. It's up and it's live. And, we'll do the Apple expedited review so they have this process where you can ask, for, like, hey. Can you please review this ASAP?
Mitchell Davis:We need to get this out. I did that last year for LariCon. Worked really well. They had it reviewed within, like, half an hour or something like that. Yep.
Mitchell Davis:So we will do that. I'm very confident that Apple will get us through quickly. And then what I will do is I will follow the same playbook that we did last year with LariCon where as soon as I put the the app up for review for Google, I will just email their support and say, hey. Look. This is the timeline that we're working to.
Mitchell Davis:Can you please review this as soon as possible? So Yep. Okay. They don't have an automated, like, request process for that, but that's okay. So yeah.
Mitchell Davis:So I am feeling extremely confident about this, and we will get it over the line this week.
Gavin Tye:I think you do an amazing job. Oh, like, it's such stressful time. You've got five more days, ten more days maybe, and then you can not take your foot off, but you have a bit of a breather. And
Mitchell Davis:Certainly, yeah, can can relax a little, and that's gonna feel really good. So thank you. I I accept your feedback. We will get it there. I can't wait to then be on the other side of this, like, review process.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. I'm going to ask some of my, like, Australian friends in the, like, the PHP community within Australia to test the app for me, and I'll just set up, a dummy event and just check that everything's working. So I think I can probably get maybe 10 or so people into the app across a variety of phones and different yeah. Like, different things there. So that will be really cool.
Mitchell Davis:Maybe you could do the same on your side if there's some people that we could reach out to. Sure. And if anyone
Gavin Tye:is listening of our listeners who wants to have a look at the app and test it Yeah. Let us know at journey at six sides or, again, send us a message on LinkedIn or Yeah. Blue Sky, whatever.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. That would be great because, like, this is it's it's really cool. Like, this is an exciting time for us to have our first release of the app go out. You know? It's only gonna get better from here Yep.
Mitchell Davis:Which is awesome. But how cool is this, like, to be in a position where we are releasing new software? You know?
Gavin Tye:Yep. It's pretty cool. Yeah. It's awesome. Mate, we're almost out of time.
Gavin Tye:We've got two minutes hard stop.
Mitchell Davis:Do we?
Gavin Tye:So yeah. Okay. It's almost time. Gotcha.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. Alright. Well, why don't we wrap up there? That's a good spot to call it. So I wanna thank everybody that's listening and is coming along for the journey with us.
Gavin Tye:On on on our next podcast, mate, I'm gonna talk about g the GPT agent that's been recently released. I used it last week. It was awesome. I'll give a Okay. Sales strategy update, on on how that's going.
Gavin Tye:And, is there anything you wanna talk about next time?
Mitchell Davis:Don't know. Okay. I will report on the progress of, getting the app released onto the App Store. That's my my sworn guarantee that I will have that ready to talk about.
Gavin Tye:Alright? Mel's trying to make me laugh in the background. She's got a she's got a hat one of your hats on.
Mitchell Davis:Comes camera next time. But Is it still recording?
Gavin Tye:No. It's not recording anymore.
Mitchell Davis:It is. Okay. She's not blind. I almost got her. Yep.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. For those that that don't know what we're talking about, check out YouTube. Anyway, we will leave it there. You can find Gavin on LinkedIn, Gavin Ty. You can find me, Mitch Dev, everywhere.
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