Hey. I'm Mitchell Davis, a Laravel developer.
Gavin Tye:And a WE baseball player. Hi. I'm Gavin Tye. That's Child and Marketing.
Mitchell Davis:On my on my downtime, I'm a WE baseball player. Babe, we are building SixSides.co. It's an events platform to help you grow your community through events. This is our b to b SaaS journey. How are going, mate?
Gavin Tye:Excellent. Excellent. Busy week this week, going on holidays next week. So I've got so much on. So, yeah, it's been, interesting.
Gavin Tye:Just some more context around Mitch looking like a wee baseball player. His hat is forwards today, and it looks like it's a Boston Red Sox hat. I
Mitchell Davis:think so.
Gavin Tye:Yep. And he looks like the character when you're playing wee baseball. So
Mitchell Davis:And it's and they wear a a helmet, and it's got, like, the ear protection thing because I've got these headphones, and they're, like, huge over my ears. So I'm sure it'll be on YouTube. You can check it out.
Gavin Tye:I even think they got the stubble, mate, like, in some way. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Well, that's alright. I'll I'll I'll own it. Yep. Anyway, where are you going on holidays? And when and for how long?
Gavin Tye:Taking the kids to Fiji on Sunday for a week. So they're finally anyone who's a parent out there knows that there's a time before two years old. Well, that is really difficult once they're they don't listen and they run around, and we're coming out of that now. So, yeah, looking forward to looking at going on a plane through their eyes and going to another country and yeah. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Looking forward
Mitchell Davis:to exciting. Hopefully, it's it's a good time, and they they like it all.
Gavin Tye:So Yeah. Well, if they don't, who cares?
Mitchell Davis:You'll still be over there. So Put
Gavin Tye:him in a nanny service. Like, my wife and I will have a great time. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:That's it. Are you a, like, a beach guy?
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yeah. We're beach people. Yep. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Cool. Are you?
Mitchell Davis:No. No. I here's the thing. I like I heard this from someone recently. You can really like the water but not like the sand.
Mitchell Davis:Okay. I think that's me. Yep. But I would add a third one. I really don't like the sun.
Mitchell Davis:You're redhead. Right? Yeah. So the well, the sun doesn't like me. I like the sun, but sun doesn't like me.
Mitchell Davis:So I end up burning, and I just, like every time we go to the beach with friends, with Nicole, her siblings, whatever, I'm always like, give me, like, half an hour, and then I'm I'll go back to the, you know, the place where we're staying or whatever, and then they'll stay another three hours. And, yeah, I just can't do it. I just burn. But I really like being in the water.
Gavin Tye:That's And they're they're like and they're like, thank god Mitch is gone. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:That's right. It's really everyone is happy.
Gavin Tye:Like, it's
Mitchell Davis:win for everyone. But Yeah. I just I I've never been able to do it. And I've got one of my best mates from school. He's also a redhead, but he never, like, cared about the sun.
Mitchell Davis:Like, he I'm sure he would put on sunscreen and stuff, but my mom was always, like, super anal about it and make sure, like, oh, you know, you gotta do this. So I hardly have any freckles. He is just, like, covered in freckles. So he went full tilt. He's a sun guy, beach guy, all of that, and I was the total opposite.
Gavin Tye:So Hopefully, that doesn't have consequences later in life, particularly the Australian sun. So Yeah. Yep. Hey. Wanna give a shout out to Matt Langtry today.
Gavin Tye:He listens to our podcast. He sent a message through and said, hey. Been listening to, you guys for a while. He's on a very similar journey, actually. He's, he runs a platform called entryplace.com.au.
Gavin Tye:Nice. And he runs, Laravel and NextJS. And
Mitchell Davis:he Really?
Gavin Tye:Yep. He heard you you're a bit of a celebrity, mate. He saw your talk at, LaraCon AU last year. Are you doing that this year?
Mitchell Davis:No. I'm not. I wasn't selected. Thank you for bringing that up. So, Michael, see me see me once, and that was enough.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Well, very one dimensional.
Mitchell Davis:So it is what it is.
Gavin Tye:So, yeah, so this episode is brought to you by Entryplace. Check them out. Entryplace.com.au, and, yeah, great to meet you, Matt. Thanks for your work.
Mitchell Davis:Thank you, Matt. We'll we'll put a link in the show notes there. So very good. Well, mate, you've been busy getting ready for this trip next week. How did things go last week?
Mitchell Davis:Because we put out that rap video that we talked about for Start Club Brisbane last week. How did that go?
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Excellent. So I I do a little bit of stuff with the Brisbane tech community, and, we didn't quite we we wanted to make sure that we gave them access to six sides when the functionality was right because we only get one one, one shot. And, so we we weren't quite ready to give it to them for the event, but they actually, they actually took a lot of the functionality that we're building and tried to patch some stuff together. And it and they were really surprised at the reaction they got from the crowd, particularly asking questions Okay.
Gavin Tye:Of of the, people pitching. So I took over a heap of photos from it, and then we sent it out. We we stitched it together to show what a rap video would look like, and they really loved it. I spoke to her yesterday. I spent a day with her yesterday, and she said it was awesome.
Gavin Tye:So, yeah, she said, you have till August 8 to get it ready so I can use it at the next one. So I was like, okay.
Mitchell Davis:No pressure.
Gavin Tye:No pressure.
Mitchell Davis:Mitch on the phone.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. I don't I I absolutely do not make mind making promises that you have to keep.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yeah. I I've come to know. Don't you worry.
Gavin Tye:Yep. That's a standard, nondev person making those. That's not uncommon in businesses, I don't think.
Mitchell Davis:No. Yeah. This has happened my entire career. So Yeah. That's okay.
Mitchell Davis:It's good, though, because often it pushes you forward, to do things that you maybe you didn't think were possible or, like, new ideas. It's great getting good feedback from customers or potential customers. And, yeah, ultimately, we'll end up with a better product.
Gavin Tye:So Unfortunately, when you're doing something great and people buy into it, that they don't the timeline is now. People go, yeah. Let's do it. We're into it now. They don't go, oh, I really want it, but I have to delay the one.
Gavin Tye:People don't work on if they want something, they want it. Right? So yeah.
Mitchell Davis:I really look forward to being in a spot where there's no you're not being held back at all. You know? And I don't think we're too far off from that, but right now, there is a bit of a, like, well, you know, if we get someone like this where they really wanna use this now and then it's almost disappointing. Why have you reached out to me now when you're not ready? You know?
Mitchell Davis:So I just man, I can't wait for that, at least for the mobile app to be up and in the App Store, Play Store, like, usable, then we will continue work on the back end, the the organizer's website area, all of that. But, yeah, I just can't wait for it. So, I mean, that that has to be ready to go in August. So we're not far away. Right?
Gavin Tye:Big news, mate. What's the big news? What's in Awesome. Hey, Mitch. What's in August?
Mitchell Davis:So we received confirmation today. They haven't signed yet, but we now will have our first international event over in Denmark. So until they sign something, we won't name them, but it is a developer conference happening in Denmark in August. Maybe you can connect the dots there if you're a bit cluey. And it's super exciting.
Mitchell Davis:We're we're thrilled to have them on board, but it does mean that all of this, like, the infrastructure stuff that I've been looking at lately and how we're gonna support events all over the world, that's gonna be immediately tested. So I'm very confident we will be able to deliver what we're what we're offering for them. But, yeah, it's immediately, okay. We're throwing it right into the fire. So I'm I'm super excited for it.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Like and that's we've anticipated this. Right? Because you've done some work on before Cloudflare, you were looking at AWS, and you were looking at standing up servers in Europe and all this kind of stuff. And you're like, hang on a sec.
Gavin Tye:It's gonna cost too much money. And we're Yeah. We're trying to what we're really trying to do is take the cost out of, out of help helping people use apps or making sure so, that their apps are functional without having to pay 10 or $20,000. So Yeah. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:It's mate, it's really, it's also my third client. We're at we're in June.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah.
Gavin Tye:It's not bad, mate. We're off we're off to the races. And and as far as that other stuff that you just said then, I think I'm a bit of a pragmatist. We're exactly where we're supposed to be at this point in time. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yeah. I I agree. I don't feel like we are going slowly. Like, I'm working on this as much as I can.
Mitchell Davis:I know you are as well. Like, this is just the pace of it, and I it's it's going well. We're having great conversations every week. You know, you're meeting new people every week. We're getting referrals basically every week.
Mitchell Davis:It's awesome. So I'm to be clear, I'm very happy with where we are, but I just really look forward to not like, to there being no barrier in front of us. Yep. So that it's just, okay. Great.
Mitchell Davis:If we get an opportunity, we could have their event in our app the next day. You know? Yeah. When we get to that point, I'm gonna be stoked. I know that won't happen, but the capability of of having that of, like, yep.
Mitchell Davis:We're ready to go. You know? Because when you and I spoke earlier this year back in January before we were recording the podcast, we were talking about this other opportunity, and I think that was in July. Yeah. I think that was in July.
Mitchell Davis:And I had said to you as far as, like, how much lead time we would need from them if we were going to provide the the app for them. And I was like, I think we'd need probably, like, two months notice or something like that, two or three months. And you're like, mate, there is no way we can go back to these people and say, like, oh, sorry. No. We can't we can't provide the app for you.
Mitchell Davis:You know? You needed to give us three months notice or whatever. And at the time, I was like, no. This is just the facts of it. But now putting everything through this one singular app, which would be in the App Store, take away a bunch of complexity.
Mitchell Davis:This is data that lives on databases all around the world. Like, this is the infrastructure and the project setup that we have now and are continuing to move towards, it's like a huge unlock. Gets rid of all of those barriers so we could run any event that we wanted anywhere in the world now. So
Gavin Tye:Yep. It's been interesting to watch you evolve. Like you said, when we first started meetings that I don't have experience in this stuff, just watching you go away and learn and put it into practice and letting you do your thing. And, yeah, it's been really good to, it's been excellent to watch, and it's, very admirable.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Well, likewise. I think you picking up the we we still haven't got the, marketing website up and running on your computer yet. You're being too busy this week, but it was it was very interesting last week seeing you really struggle and you're like, oh my god. This is so much.
Mitchell Davis:And all we did was install, like, three programs on your computer. But, anyway, we we we play to our strengths. Right? So
Gavin Tye:No. No. You just saw that last part. Until then, I was, like, an hour or two hours out doing other stuff. You just come in at the end.
Mitchell Davis:Oh, I got you at a bad time.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You got me at a bad time.
Mitchell Davis:There you go.
Gavin Tye:Yep.
Mitchell Davis:Anyway, while we're on the subject of clients, we just had a great meeting with Holly over in Western Australia.
Gavin Tye:Yep. Shall we Holly,
Mitchell Davis:because I reckon
Gavin Tye:she might listen to this next one that comes out.
Mitchell Davis:That's right. Yeah. So we told her that we'd been slowly mentioning different things and that her name had come up a few times. So, yeah, so hopefully, she's listening to this one. And it was a great meeting.
Mitchell Davis:It was awesome. We showed her the theme designer that we put out on the marketing website. We're continuing to evolve that. We had some feedback from the organizers in Denmark about the theme designer and maybe being able to customize things like the border colors as well on the cards. So I'm already trying to incorporate some of that feedback as we get things ready.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. And it's all going really well. It the Holly's feedback was great. We are preparing a timeline tomorrow for Denmark, but also for Holly to be able to go back. And we're kind of, like, trying to create our own, like, SOP.
Mitchell Davis:Right? Standard operating procedure for this is the stuff that we need from a customer. And, ideally, how long in advance before the event do we have access to that information? We know that there won't always be not everybody will follow that timeline stuff happens. And, ultimately, this is all data.
Mitchell Davis:If someone's talk has to get swapped out to be something else, it's it's a row in a database in our system. Right? It's not nothing is, like, hard coded in to any of the stuff that we're doing, but this would just give us the most the best opportunity to make the event app the best that we can for their attendees.
Gavin Tye:You know? Absolutely. And working on that. If anyone's listening to this and you wanna check out what this design app is, it's, so how to design your app for maybe some ideas of constructive feedback at 6sides.co/design. That's it.
Gavin Tye:You know, we there's a few things we've gotta add to it, but it's a good first iteration MVP, and, yeah, she gave us great feedback. So Yeah. Yep. Perfect.
Mitchell Davis:It's cool. Alright. Well, why don't we get into the next section? So Yeah. We've got some stuff in here because you've been really busy.
Mitchell Davis:I have been probably less busy, but still honestly pretty busy this week with juggling different things across our different businesses.
Gavin Tye:Mate, that's the SEO title of today. Right? You you're you're putting it to me. And by the way, we've had the most downloads in the first, first day from the last one. So I True.
Gavin Tye:Too soon to say I told you so, but I reckon I I reckon I had to get one back on you from the banner on LinkedIn.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Okay. Look. Hey. You're what are you?
Mitchell Davis:You're head of sales and marketing. Right? This is a marketing exercise that we're doing.
Gavin Tye:So client that we've won so far has come from your network and not mine. Like, I'm very well aware. I'm very well aware I'm not pulling my weight.
Mitchell Davis:That's alright. Well, I'm sure you will far exceed anything I could do in the near future.
Gavin Tye:Anyway Alright.
Mitchell Davis:We'll keep the SEO titles going for now. You've still got there's another five weeks to go. What will be interesting, though, is for Michael's episode probably next week where I'm hoping to I haven't mentioned this yet, but I'm hoping to sit down and record with Michael Dorinda. He came back to me today and said, yep. Let's do it.
Mitchell Davis:So, hopefully, that does happen next week. You might have to pick the title for that episode since you've you're one for one so far. So Yeah. I'll have to send you a few options, and I I did send you a few options actually for last week's one, and you just scrapped them all. So you might know what you're doing.
Gavin Tye:Let's do think I might. Well, it's it's forming a close partnership with your clients. I think that would probably be the the title if
Mitchell Davis:For next week?
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Because you're forming a close partnership. The best clients are friends, maybe. So so the theme today is really juggle juggle juggling multiple businesses while bootstrapping, which is what we're trying to do. We don't, we both run other businesses, and we're trying to, not only inject our time into, Six Sides, but also money.
Gavin Tye:And so we're lending money business, money to this business with the intention of hopefully being able to pay it back in the future. Yep. So and I think a large part of that so what are your thoughts on that, mate, from your side? Because you have three or four things going on outside of, know, six sides here, and I've got I've got two at least two. So
Mitchell Davis:Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. I know we've touched on it at a high level on and off, but what's your mindset, and how do you, how do you deal with that?
Mitchell Davis:My mindset is that it's really hard. That's I don't think that's gonna change unless I'm able to, like, outsource any of the other stuff that I'm doing, or end up, like, wrapping up any of those other businesses. Right? If this goes really well, like, you know, obviously, we hope it will, then maybe there's more scope to wind other things down. Yep.
Mitchell Davis:And that would be great. That would certainly free up my focus. Wouldn't necessarily give me more time, but free me up to focus. So, yeah, like, yesterday, for example, I had probably a ten hour day workday, and I reckon one hour of that was on actual, like, focus development time. And I put that into the Six Sides app.
Mitchell Davis:The rest was filled with I had like three or four meetings, which is great. I mean, obviously, normally that's a good sign. Right? That, okay, cool. There's projects are happening and you got clients and things are going decently, which is true at the moment, which is great.
Mitchell Davis:But, yeah, I'm really, like, strapped for time. You know? Yeah. And it's it's hard. I don't think there's, like, a magic solution for it.
Mitchell Davis:I mean, great. If I had, you know, million dollars more money and I could afford to just, okay, outsource everything now, and that'd be amazing, but I I'm not there. So I have to go through and just work on all of these things. That's where, like, we've talked in the past about deadlines, making it really helpful to prioritize. Okay.
Mitchell Davis:Well, coming up next week, there's this thing, so you better get that done first. And then once that's done, then the week after, there's something else. So I just kind of work through all of that. Okay. It's hard.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:I think it's yeah. It's it's hard as well. Like, because I've got my other business too. At the moment, it I'm developing an AI coach, right, for for b two b sales. And everything's about to tell me that that's about to take off.
Gavin Tye:I've definitely got early traction, a lot of early traction, and it's an iteration of many things. But I'm I'm trying to think about my mind got
Mitchell Davis:out at DealBuddy.com. We'll put a link in the
Gavin Tye:Yep. That's
Mitchell Davis:it. Have you got any anything up yet?
Gavin Tye:No. No.
Mitchell Davis:We got it. But in time, you can check it out at DealBuddy.com.
Gavin Tye:There's a wait list there. Put like, you can put your details in. I'll get the I'll get the email and a message. But, yeah, there's a yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Hop on the wait list then.
Gavin Tye:Yep. And it's with an I. Buddy with an I.
Mitchell Davis:It is with an I. It'll be in the show notes.
Gavin Tye:So one of the things I think about is try to draw parallels. And, you know, when you're switching tasks from one thing to a next, I lose about half an hour or twenty minutes. Right? I can't just go from one task to the next. So I'm thinking about I'm planning for both my one, my business and and this business to take off.
Gavin Tye:Right? And even, hopefully and Atlas is seems like it's growing it's starting to grow again now. So, I think there's an opportunity well, to to me, well, what's that long term planning of that? And and if we can have a structure that has the same executive structure, which is you and I, and our our methods and models are the same or first principles or tech stack and, methodologies are the same, then I think that will afford us the ability to at least switch quicker, but then also hiring others that could jump across businesses that we could spread the costs because we don't need full time people all the time across the businesses.
Mitchell Davis:So Yeah.
Gavin Tye:That's a really interesting concept because I think if you get that right and we let's just say we're fantastic at this or we get lucky and all our hard work and we go really well and we create this whole structure, then what's to say we can't bring other things in that structure at an at at a later date?
Mitchell Davis:So Yeah. Yeah. We have talked recently about, like, consolidating, like, outsourced work that we do. Right. So for example, we have someone that's helping us out with LinkedIn outreach, and you're you have kind of helped with all of that.
Mitchell Davis:And to be clear, this is across our other businesses, not SikSides. Right?
Gavin Tye:It doesn't work any with us anymore, by the way.
Mitchell Davis:Gotcha. See, well, that's the thing. I'm not even aware. It's not by concern. Right?
Mitchell Davis:You're just you this is something that you manage. And it's because we are able to, like, scale the the efficiency here by, okay, maybe there's no need for someone to be doing that full time, but you scale that across a few different businesses. Well, now there's a huge amount of work that someone could do, and then we, you know, we each pay or paid a part of that. Right? Similar for helping out with development.
Mitchell Davis:It's something that we're thinking about at the moment. Are we able to find someone across you know, we've got a few different businesses here that could all use some development help, and we're potentially looking at could we do some outsourcing there? Yeah. Get some help on that. Right?
Mitchell Davis:So and and, again, just kind of part compartmentalize that across a few different businesses where that could be helpful. Yep. And fortunately, like, at least on the technology side of things, the development side of things, all of the projects that I'm involved with all largely look the same. Yep. Right?
Mitchell Davis:Laravel applications being hosted on AWS and DadaDa. Right? So, like, similar types of things where someone as long as we could get them in and they could understand, okay. This project is based on this, but you write it the same way as you write this other thing, which is based on something you know, all the same kind of technologies. I think we can really get some efficiencies in
Gavin Tye:Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Business there.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. And I think where the challenge will come if we're you're running a tech company, but you're running a physiotherapy office. Right? It's a completely you can't share resources or you can't share the strategy or the structure. And, so I don't fit.
Gavin Tye:My businesses don't fit in apart from six sides don't fit into your tech stack. Right? They don't fit into your process, which is which is okay for now. But then we're talking about long term how we're going we're going down a path, but we're saying, hey. If this does go the way it looks like it's gonna go, it will need a rewrite or an or an addition, whatever you would take in iteration.
Gavin Tye:So then that may be the time to bring it into the tech stack that you follow to, to make it, scalable. But Yeah. Yeah. Make it make us more efficient, really. And, because when you mentioned before, if you had a million dollars, we were just outsourced.
Gavin Tye:I don't think that that's the right thing because you just waste money. Right? We don't wanna make waste money. We wanna be I think we wanna be efficient. Right?
Gavin Tye:So
Mitchell Davis:Well, yeah. Sure. I think there's some context there, though, of like, okay. Some of the things that I'm doing at the moment are are not a great use of my time.
Gavin Tye:Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. I'm forced to by the contracts that I have in place and, you know, okay. Well, this just has to get done, and it turns out it's me that's gotta do it. But I would absolutely love to have more help to do some of the things that I am not the best person to be doing. You know?
Mitchell Davis:But that's the situation. Right? So
Gavin Tye:And that's like, even even me this week, I've been so distracted. Like, because I know I'm not gonna be here next week, so I've gotta wind up a few things,
Mitchell Davis:and Yeah.
Gavin Tye:I gotta do some stuff for my other business. It's, I guess that's downside. If you're to boot shop, you've to pay for it. So you've to pay for it in other ways, attention. I knew a business that's doing really well.
Gavin Tye:Duress.com is his name, and his name's Trav Haven, the founder. And it's basically wearables to make people safe. Right? And I said, Trav, how did you come up with it? And he's like, oh, I was just working at an aquarium.
Gavin Tye:I was doing animal husbandry, and I just come up with the idea. I was like, so what did you do? And he goes, well, I just started Design House, so I would half work on a AppLabs for people, then the other half I would build what we did. I guess there was no other way to bootstrap it. Was like, wow.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Like
Mitchell Davis:You told him that he was able to find clients quickly enough to fund, like, living, you know, to then also work on that.
Gavin Tye:Yep. I think it was a long, long journey. He's doing well now. But
Mitchell Davis:Gotcha.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. It's you rather take the money than you're you you're at the behest, and you gotta work for someone else anyway. Like, I've seen founders generate all these reports, or you have a resemblance of control while you're trying to figure stuff out and, but you have to work more to pay more attention or be creative. I don't think we could do that if we didn't have these other businesses, to be honest. I don't know what we I don't think this would be possible.
Gavin Tye:So Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. It would have to be maybe it would have had to move faster to justify, like, the, yeah, the time. Because it it would be working like nights and weekends. Right? If we were both working for some other business.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. %. Yeah. Yeah. Nights and weekends, and then this would have to really probably have moved even faster and imagine the stress that that would have put on us.
Mitchell Davis:You know? I've been
Gavin Tye:more active in that in sales and all that kind of stuff. Right? Whereas, but then that means you're releasing stuff and you're breaking. Like, you are you're churning those up and all that kind of stuff, and he may be, damaging relationships. Like, there is I think there is a, there's a price to pay for if you go too fast.
Gavin Tye:Right?
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So Well, I'm glad that, this is our situation. Just sometimes it comes with there's a lot of extra work that's gotta get done.
Gavin Tye:You know? Absolutely. And I'm juggling a family. You're planning a wedding
Mitchell Davis:Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Which we're waiting for an invite, but whatever.
Mitchell Davis:Keep waiting.
Gavin Tye:How is that? Yeah. No. No. We're not expecting that.
Gavin Tye:How is did you confirm with that?
Mitchell Davis:No. Not yet. So we've got one other venue to go look at. So we've held we have held the date in March of next year with the venue that I mentioned last week. That's still held for another week.
Mitchell Davis:I think we've got till, like, Friday next week
Gavin Tye:Okay.
Mitchell Davis:To confirm with them and then pay a deposit. Right? Okay. But we are going to see I think it's Wednesday or Thursday next week. We're booked in with the other venue in this area that we really like the look of.
Mitchell Davis:So, basically, I think Thursday night, we will make a decision. Okay. Where is it? And then it'll depend on dates that are available at this other place, and then, yeah, I can maybe I can keep you posted in when you come back after Fiji.
Gavin Tye:Is that the Campbelltown Catholic club? Is that where you're you're That's right. For people who don't know, I grew up not two probably two k's from where you live today. Yeah. We didn't know each other until I moved up here.
Gavin Tye:So it's such a small world.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Well, you're still coming down actually in not too long to go now. It's like a week after you get back from
Gavin Tye:Twentieth. Yep. I've actually gotta book flights and stuff. So Yeah. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:I'm done any of that. I'll do it tomorrow.
Mitchell Davis:In the calendar yet, so we gotta get
Gavin Tye:that on. And it it's the day after me doing the CEO sleep out. So Yeah. I'll come down in the morning, so I'm gonna be, tired. Yep.
Gavin Tye:Oh, yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Speaking of your total, I've just checked it out, CEO Sleep Out, one thousand one hundred and twenty one dollars. Your goal is 3,000. So we need a bit to go, mate. Yeah. I know.
Mitchell Davis:What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do?
Gavin Tye:I'm gonna go wash cars in the nude. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:I think you'll owe money. I don't think that'll make that.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yeah. Place some. So I bet Dan Mitch, I'm down to 600.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. We gotta chip in a bit more. And I
Gavin Tye:gotta give two weeks of, my time up in jail. Yep.
Mitchell Davis:No. We don't need that.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. No. No. So, yeah, we got some time. I haven't put any posts out on, in my email list or anything like that or asked anyone specifically.
Gavin Tye:I'll start doing that. Yeah. I've got a bit
Mitchell Davis:of time.
Gavin Tye:Yep. Once it goes closer, people will take action closer to the date. So Sure.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. Yeah. Well, you're almost halfway there. Right? So not too much more to go, but we will put that in the show notes if you're feeling generous.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. Alright. We've got about twenty minutes left tops. Yep. So we got a few things here.
Mitchell Davis:Which of these do you wanna get into?
Gavin Tye:Well, let's talk about your side of the fence, mate. How's the app going and the database changes going?
Mitchell Davis:Things are going well. So I'm so glad you asked.
Gavin Tye:Me too.
Mitchell Davis:So we have continued making a ton of progress on the back end for Sikhsites. So this is the part, like, the API that, the mobile app will talk to.
Gavin Tye:So where were we last week? Then just so people who are listening for this for the first time, just give us you were trying to do some stuff.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. It's true. Like always, I was trying to do some stuff. So we have been Alright. That's enough, mate.
Mitchell Davis:No. Alright. Over to you. Let's talk lead gen. So we have been working on the new iteration of the mobile app and our infrastructure.
Mitchell Davis:Now if you want to hear more about all of that, check out the last two episodes, particularly the last parts of those episodes. That's where we've got technical. A big part of that is moving from, just hosting our data and APIs on AWS. We are moving. We're kind of running a hybrid cloud model where Cloudflare sits in front of our AWS services, and then that enables us to do a bunch of different things.
Mitchell Davis:We can cache data on Cloudflare so that we're not having to constantly hit our database and our servers on AWS, which is great, cheaper costs, and faster performance. But then also this other thing that we're doing is called TinyDace. It's a way where we can store, like, a little bit of data about, say, okay, someone's profile in the in the app or someone's talk or whatever. Some little bit of data. We can store that on Cloudflare and then keep that open using a WebSocket, which is like a real time two way communication feed between Cloudflare and the mobile app.
Mitchell Davis:So when someone logs in to the mobile app, we can then open up these WebSockets to Cloudflare with this little tiny base database there. And if someone comes along and let's say the event organizer adds a new talk or adds a new sponsor or changes a name, adds a logo, whatever, any little changes like that, we can push them through to Cloudflare, and then Cloudflare will go send them out to anyone that's connected with the mobile app. So we're gonna get this immediate, like, real time feel in the app, and Cloudflare is doing all the hosting for us. And by the way, it's effectively free. So it's, like, $5 a month to have this.
Mitchell Davis:And we we will pay for usage, but our usage will be you know, we're gonna have spikes of, like, two days of 400 people connecting to this, and then it'll go back to being flat, right, until we start running events every day, you know, all around the world, that type of thing. So as you can imagine, it's a huge change to the infrastructure to get all of this up and running. I have continued with it. I've been working on it basically every day. Some days, like yesterday, only an hour, but some other days, can put a whole day into it.
Mitchell Davis:Right? So we're making really good progress. A big unlock that has just happened yesterday is now we can log back into with a what used to be a ticket code is now we're calling it an access code, and we will generate them. It won't be provided by the ticketing company. We can go into that another time.
Mitchell Davis:You and I were talking a bit about it earlier on this call, so we just got a few more things to figure out there. But, basically, we'll generate a code just like a six digit code or something like that, send that to the attendee and say, hey. Here's the app. Here's your code. Here's a one click button where you can log in, and now you're we know who you are.
Mitchell Davis:Fill in your profile. Enjoy the, you know, the the event. So finally, we got that part working where you can actually log in to an event using this access code. So we had that way back when for LariCon last year. I had it with just a ticket code.
Mitchell Davis:Now this is kind of and that then got broken while I was working on this new infrastructure and all of these changes. Well, finally, we're now on the other side of that. So you can log in again to the app, and hopefully tomorrow I will have it so that it pulls down not just like the event details, but also the theme. So everything connected to that theme designer and all that sort of stuff. So it's really exciting.
Mitchell Davis:This is like I'm having a lot of fun because now after this point, it should become way easier to connect the rest of the infrastructure because it's still all kind of the same stuff. A talk still has a title and a time slot and a speaker or two and a description of what they're gonna talk about and some links and stuff like all that. None of that has changed. Yeah. We obviously, we can improve it over time, but it's all fundamentally the same.
Mitchell Davis:So now I just have to copy over a lot of the screens from the old infrastructure to the new one, and then that's how we're going to achieve this. You know, by early next month. We have committed with Holly that we will have a version of the app up and running on TestFlight and Google's version of TestFlight for her to be able to get in and and have a look at. Right? Yep.
Mitchell Davis:So
Gavin Tye:Okay. Yeah. Nice. Okay. And so it's going good.
Gavin Tye:Like, we've made progress from last week. We're getting closer. Yep. Yeah. So we've got a couple of events in August now, so we've gotta get it up in the early stages of July.
Gavin Tye:Right?
Mitchell Davis:There is no messing around. Yeah. Yep. So, yeah, any any of the, like, experimenting with the marketing website, all of that is now fully on hold. Like, things are as they are for until the app is ready.
Mitchell Davis:Basically, that's our minimum commitment that we have to have and not just ready in, like, oh, yeah. It's fine if there's a few rough edges. Like, it needs to be basically perfect so that we can deliver an amazing experience because that's what our current customers are paying for is give us a really outstanding app. So that's what we're going to And then the very next thing to do after that will be the web dashboard where organizers can get in and add, you know, sessions and attendees and da da da without having to come to us right now. That's a a manual process.
Mitchell Davis:But Yep. We're still early days.
Gavin Tye:Right? Yep. Yep. That's good. I mean, it's it's great.
Gavin Tye:So yep. Cool.
Mitchell Davis:And it's really enjoyable, to be honest. Like, this is this stuff fires me up. I really enjoyed after getting through the transition of moving the marketing website from Vue and Laravel over to Next. Js. That was a pain in the butt.
Mitchell Davis:Once I got it done though, it was really fun. I could then work on the theme designer, and I could add blog articles and whatever, and it all just comes together, like, really quickly. Now I'm experiencing that same type of, okay. I can relax now and just have fun with it, and this is what I like doing. You know?
Mitchell Davis:This is my passion of building stuff, building out APIs and playing with databases and doing all this sort of stuff. It's like, oh, okay. All the, like, grunt work is done now, and I could just get in and actually get all these things talking to each other.
Gavin Tye:So Yeah. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. That's fun.
Gavin Tye:I'm looking forward to when that's all done and we can start going to people and showing them in real time what it looks like because people are already impressed, but what you've done in the last few months is, amazing. So
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yeah. Me too. I can't wait to see some of the reactions that we get. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:I've still gotta do stuff on my side of the fence, which is the sales strategy. We're relying heavily on just conversations now, right, because we're not quite ready to sell. So I've still got to do strategy and build out all the content on my side, which will inform our lead generation in in in marketing and all that kind of stuff in time too. So Yeah. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:But we are I think we talked about this last week. We are gonna adopt a a Childhood. Through the app. We're going to adopt a marketing strategy, a medium term marketing strategy, like about add value adding to the community. So, yeah, we'll get start getting set up for that as well.
Gavin Tye:So Mhmm. Alright. Brilliant. Alright. Well, I think we're almost done, mate.
Gavin Tye:Almost done.
Mitchell Davis:You don't have any lead gen results to update us on?
Gavin Tye:I've I've got referred into some other government stuff into the music industry actually last week. So I've reached out to he come back to me last week and said he would check it out. I just followed up with him today, and there's a few other people I need to go back to who were referred to me. So, no. There's nothing else at the moment.
Gavin Tye:Okay.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yeah. Well, we'll talk more on that, you know, when you're back in a in a couple weeks. No word yet from the the funding that we applied for. Right?
Gavin Tye:No. Well, in indirectly, someone in my other business just got some funding and I want to use it for sales market fit. But he applied for it in November and I guess it finally come through because they are not fast. Yeah. Okay.
Mitchell Davis:Do not we won't expect it to perform. Thing. We're not relying on it to Right. To for the longevity of the business. Right?
Mitchell Davis:It it it's a nice to have. To be clear, we applied for a hundred almost a hundred k in funding from the Queensland government. Yep. We talked about that on episode 13, so you can check that out if you're curious. Yep.
Gavin Tye:Yep. Awesome. Mate. Okay.
Mitchell Davis:Well, why don't we wrap up there? I hope you have an awesome time in Fiji and send some pictures.
Gavin Tye:I'll come I'll come back brown, like, or tanned.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. You will. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:I will. Yep.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. Hopefully, it's a good time, and it should be good weather. Right? It's normally pretty good weather over there. Probably around.
Gavin Tye:It's up. It's well north of here. So Kansas still hot at this time of the day. Like, for that's in Northern Australia, and it's in the Pacific. So I thought it said it was, like, 31 degrees during the day, so we'll see how it goes.
Mitchell Davis:Oh, yeah. Lovely. Yeah. I was in Mal Maldives Maldives last year in February, and it's 28 degrees constantly. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Even at night. That's 28 degrees. That's their temperature. And, man, it was hot for Nicole and I. We struggled.
Mitchell Davis:So 31 degrees. And when I was in Brisbane for Laricon, like, there was 30 degrees or something like that, I think, and I just can't do it. I'm a real struggler for that, so I don't know how you live in that all the time.
Gavin Tye:Well, I at an aluminium smelter for five years and I worked on the they call them potlines where they make aluminium. And if anyone if you don't know, it gets made at about a thousand degrees. So and it was sheds that were a kilometer long, there's 480 of these pots. Somewhere, it was like 50 degrees fifty, sixty degrees. So you can only work out there for twenty minutes at a at a time.
Mitchell Davis:So I yeah. I would not be cut out for that.
Gavin Tye:Well, no. Yeah. That's right. So I it takes a while. You're acclimatized to it.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. So I have a different relationship to heat now than what I did before I worked there. So yeah. Okay. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:It's your body changes over time.
Mitchell Davis:So Yeah. And Mel's from up Queensland Way. Right? So she should have been
Gavin Tye:She was born in New South Wales in the middle of New South Wales at near Yamba. A place called I can't remember the name. I can't remember the name. Was near Yamba. Oh, Coast Harbour.
Gavin Tye:It's near Coast Harbour. Yeah. Gotcha. Goolga. Well, Goolga.
Mitchell Davis:Oh, okay. Alright. There you go. We'll put that in the show notes as well. Anyway, mate, I hope you have an awesome time and that the temperature is just right for you and your family.
Mitchell Davis:And, yeah, send through some pictures. Look forward to seeing you when you come back and you've got a tan, and I will hold down the fort hopefully with Michael next week. But if not, if he bails, I'll do one solo, and we'll just live it up. We'll talk tech. I'll figure something out.
Mitchell Davis:It'll be fine. Right. You better tune in on the plane coming back home, I reckon.
Gavin Tye:We'll all listen to it.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. Hopefully, it might be our highest listened episode. We'll see. Maybe the people have had enough of you.
Gavin Tye:I'll try and get the podcast put on the Jetstar or Wear Virgin, actually, Virgin app.
Mitchell Davis:So yeah.
Gavin Tye:Right. That
Mitchell Davis:would be fun. Yep. There there's a a sales and marketing strategy right there. Sounds good.
Gavin Tye:Alright, mate.
Mitchell Davis:You can catch Gavin on LinkedIn, Gavin Ty, and I am Mitch Dev in all the places. Leave us a rating and review if you would, and we will catch you next week.
Gavin Tye:See you, mate.
