Hey. I'm Mitchell Davis, a Laravel developer.
Gavin Tye:Hi. I'm Gavin Ty, sales and marketing. Welcome to our b to b SaaS journey. Very good. What are we doing?
Gavin Tye:What this podcast about?
Mitchell Davis:We're building 6Sides.co. It's an events platform. It helps you build a stronger community through events. This is our b to b SaaS journey. And today, we've got a special guest.
Mitchell Davis:We've got in the in the livestream, rather, we've got Michael. He won't be joining us on the show, but we've got our first live viewer. And I'm very curious how this came about because I haven't sent anybody the link.
Gavin Tye:So I'm wondering if this was you. Well, good powers of deduction, mate. I thought this was gonna be
Mitchell Davis:I'm a genius.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, you can't put one past you. Oh, no.
Gavin Tye:Me and Michael connected on LinkedIn this morning. Actually, we're just chatting backwards and forwards, and he was talking about Apollo and how he has feels a great sense of power because he has access to those people he couldn't get to before, and I just invited him along before wasn't doing anything. So Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Awesome. Yep. Excellent. Well, you've you've converted him because he when I was talking with him about this, I think I mentioned last week, he it was a bit of, like, dark magic or something. It felt a bit a bit sus, so that's good.
Mitchell Davis:It's it's very powerful, Apollo. Awesome. Mate, well, what do we wanna get into today?
Gavin Tye:Reviews. Right? We got a few more reviews from last week.
Mitchell Davis:We do.
Gavin Tye:I don't think you reviewed us yet, Michael. So, hopefully, at the end of today, you might review us. But, yeah, we got a few. Do you wanna read them out? You've got a good one from Justin Jackson from Transistor.
Mitchell Davis:I did. Yeah. So this I I gotta apologize, Justin, because you commented this back in March when we first kicked off the show. But because of the way that the Apple Podcast works in the app, it only shows us reviews from where you're viewing it from, so from Australia for us. So I hadn't even seen that you'd done this.
Mitchell Davis:So I want to say thank you. So he he said, I remember hearing people talk about the event app online during LariCon Australia. This should be fun, and that he was excited to follow our journey. So thank you, Justin. We appreciate it.
Mitchell Davis:And then, yeah, we have a bunch more ratings and reviews from here in Australia, which is awesome. So we've got one from here it is. From Mel Mel Mel eighty five. What a ride. Thanks for opening up and sharing your journey.
Mitchell Davis:This podcast is raw, inspiring, funny and encouraging. Being a founder can be lonely. Hearing the highs and lows of your experience is helping me to stay strong and remember why we took the leap to do our own thing. Wishing you both success in your endeavors. Keep up the great work.
Mitchell Davis:Thank you Mel.
Gavin Tye:That's excellent. Thanks hon.
Mitchell Davis:And then we do have a bunch more. So there's one I'll call out from Roman at Wreck It who said, great to hear real stories as they happen and that we're building in public and that he's loving it. I have a bunch from some of my friends here as well. I've got Jake, Dylan, and I don't actually know who this is, Cheese and Beans. So whoever they are, thank you very much.
Mitchell Davis:We appreciate it. So if you're out there and you're listening to this, we'd love if you'd leave us a review and a rating. If you're not in Australia and you're gonna leave a review, maybe shoot one of us a message on some way. You'll find some way to reach us so that way we know to go check what you've said. Alright?
Mitchell Davis:So thank you very much.
Gavin Tye:Alright. So, Mitch, if people wanna ask us a question or or get in contact with us just at the beginning of the show, how can I do that?
Mitchell Davis:Yep. So we have an email which got its first use this week, which is great. So the email is [email protected]. There'll be a link in the show notes. And we got an email from someone named Gavin Ty.
Mitchell Davis:It's a great great guy. I've I've seen him before. He sent us an email about AI agents, which we might be able to get into Interesting. Today. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:So if, again, if you're out there and you want us to talk about anything, shoot us an email. That might be a good way to to get in front of us.
Gavin Tye:Cool. Awesome. Alright. So let's where do wanna begin, mate? How was your week last week?
Gavin Tye:How about we do that week and review?
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Sure. Well, this last week has been awesome because we got the marketing website up. So if you head to 6sides.co now, it used to just be kind of a, like, coming soon and had, like, a little bit of information about the LariCon Australia app that we did last year. But now if you go to it, it's got a lot more information.
Mitchell Davis:Spent a bunch of time over the last week on it. I think on last episode, yeah that's right, last episode I was talking about how we were building it out with Reloom which is this AI tool to help you generate like wireframes and mockups and that went really well. So you had given me a bunch of wireframes of how the site should look in your opinion and some ideas on the content that we would wanna have on there and using Reloom and then using Cursor and then myself doing a Passover, all of it. Yeah. We now have at least the first page of a marketing website, but it's something that we can at least be a bit more confident in when doing marketing outreach and things like that that, okay, this site does actually sell us now.
Mitchell Davis:So yeah. So I'm really happy with that. It took a lot of work to get it there. It was multiple days even using the AI tools because there's lots of little, like, details that need to get, you know, straightened out and make sure that it's all working or looking the way that I think it should to represent us really well, but I'm really happy with it. So Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Couldn't choose
Gavin Tye:Squarespace, mate. Well, it's
Mitchell Davis:that's true. We could have. That's the thing. Like and no shitting on people that do. Like, there are plenty of good sites out there that are like that, but that's not what I want
Gavin Tye:to do. It's like a chef using, like, frozen meals. Right? Like Yeah. Not a chance.
Gavin Tye:Yep.
Mitchell Davis:Yes. Exactly. So no shade if you are using a Wix or a Squarespace or whatever. That's fine. But, yeah, that wasn't for us.
Mitchell Davis:That was me.
Gavin Tye:Our civilians have no choice, mate, because I there's no way I could do what you do. So
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Oh, I don't know. You've been showing me some crazy stuff that you were doing off that that idea you had last week. Lovable. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. Yeah. So may maybe you can talk about that at some point. But, yeah, you you are able to get in and and build out some things for yourself. It's pretty cool.
Gavin Tye:Yep. Okay. Cool. Well, my week in review, I started, doing lead gen. Right?
Gavin Tye:So at the moment, I'm doing cold email, just going out to a small subset of a type of businesses. But it's a funny thing, like, it and it's not doing too much. Right? Because we've gotta ramp up. We don't wanna ruin our domain, all that kind of stuff.
Gavin Tye:So, I'm just looking like, really, I've only sent out 25 emails. It takes a bit of time, but no one's opened them. So it makes me think that maybe something is happening. It hasn't actually it's not landing in their inbox. We're going to spam.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. But we'll see what happens over a period of time. Right?
Mitchell Davis:Well, I know that on that, like, you had asked me, hey. Can you check out our
Gavin Tye:DKIM and
Mitchell Davis:DMARC? Yeah. SPF and or whatever it is yeah the DKIM and DMARC and all of those things that you have to have in place for sending emails and I did it took a little bit of time because it's a bit confusing to be honest with you what you have to do and you don't want to get it wrong but all of the tools that I then tested with where it's like hey send us an email and we'll tell you if all your stuff's aligned properly all of those said that it was fine so is is HubSpot still saying that it's not?
Gavin Tye:That's not HubSpot. It's Apollo. So
Mitchell Davis:Oh, okay.
Gavin Tye:Saying that there is. I'm just having a look at it now.
Mitchell Davis:It's saying that it's got a problem?
Gavin Tye:Let me run it. It's still saying there's a problem. I'll just refresh it. Yeah. It's still saying the demark is not right.
Gavin Tye:So that's probably what's going on. Okay. It's a bit of a walk. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:I'm glad you've only tried to 25 then.
Gavin Tye:Oh, well, I just don't do that. We don't need a thousand. Yeah. So I would say something like that's happening, but we can talk about it later on how to maybe fix it.
Mitchell Davis:So Yeah. Sure. Okay. Something for us to look at.
Gavin Tye:But a funny thing happens when you do put effort out, Certain things come it's always happened to me, and it feels a little bit, la la la, whatever the word is. But as soon as you put effort out and you do stuff, things come in. So we had a really interesting, I got invited to do something. Like, I don't even know why I'm bringing it up because I can't give too much information away. But it's a really good opportunity that we think could actually help send us on, like, send us on our way in a really innovative way.
Gavin Tye:So Yeah. But that so I don't think that would have come in without doing this kind of outreach anyway. So it'd be we'd love to we'll keep people updated in the next few weeks on that if that pans out, but we can't talk about it yet because it's it's too fragile, to say the least.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. It's just exciting that there's things happening. You know? So we'll reveal more as we can Yep. And and where it makes sense.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Cool. What else have we had happen? We had a meeting with our WA client, and that went really well. We showed them what we're thinking for the Six Sides app so not building individual apps for different events and similar feedback to what Michael gave me when I showed him last week our ideas and the feedback was great.
Mitchell Davis:It was this looks awesome, they had seemingly no issues with it being a sick sides app and then people go download that and then punch in a ticket code and now they're into this particular event. So seems like that's like that's a good run rate. Right?
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Absolutely. Two for two. Yeah. Yep.
Gavin Tye:So let's do this episode is sponsored by LaraCon Australia this this year since Michael's listening. So it's on in Brisbane in November. We'll put the link to the the conference in November. Mitch, you attended last year. What could someone expect if they were to come along to the conference?
Mitchell Davis:They're gonna have a really great time for one. It's a really good bunch of people. Michael puts on a great conference. He selects great talks. You'll hear a lot of interesting stuff about Laravel, about technology in general, and you will get to use the new Six Sides app so you'll get to actually see for yourself what the heck we're talking about if you go attend LaraCon and if you do I'd love to meet you because I'll definitely be there so very excited.
Gavin Tye:So is it for people who are thinking about getting into Laravel or people who use it, the PHP framework? Did I say that right? You
Mitchell Davis:did. Absolutely. Yeah. So Laravel is a PHP framework. Yes.
Gavin Tye:Is it for people thinking about getting into development, or is it for
Mitchell Davis:people who
Gavin Tye:are established? What what's the
Mitchell Davis:It's both for for for everyone. So all different skill levels or familiarity levels I guess absolutely it's it's for everyone so there'll be different talks that target different levels of skill within Laravel but again there's talks that kind of cover you don't have to be a developer a Laravel developer I mean obviously it's probably beneficial but there'll be talks there that cover a wide range of technologies last year there were talks on design which is great. There'll be potentially business talks. Potentially there'll be Yep.
Gavin Tye:Is there any sales strategy talk there about people thinking about taking your product to market? I don't know.
Mitchell Davis:There might be. I don't know.
Gavin Tye:I don't know. Is there? There there there might be.
Mitchell Davis:There could be. Oh, yeah. Sorry. Michael's talking it here.
Gavin Tye:It definitely makes sense.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. Yeah. That's right. So Michael's right. Not just developers, and he said here in the chat, try to cover the gamut for people writing but also using it.
Mitchell Davis:He's said accessibility, for example. Yep. That's right. So they there were some great talks over the last few years about accessibility and designing your applications, your websites for people that might need to use screen readers or that are blind you know like is an example or color blindness things like that. So yeah it's very inclusive, really great environment, awesome people, and Michael really does do a great job.
Mitchell Davis:So thank you, Michael, for sponsoring this episode.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Cool. Awesome. Okay. Alright.
Gavin Tye:So there's a few things on this list today, Mitch. Where do we want to oh, give us an update on the I'm been looking forward this week. Give us an update on the.com.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. You you're ready, though.
Gavin Tye:Air shaped.
Mitchell Davis:Yes. So my god. So if you're following along, we have engaged with GoDaddy. They have this broker service where they kind of reach out to the current owner. Right?
Mitchell Davis:And we I got a call from them on Saturday, I think. And the guy said first thing, you know, he introduced himself and da da da. And then he's like, so have did the the current owner put this site up anywhere for sale or, like, did you have a price? And I was like, well, it was on Namecheap, which is what we used before to try and buy this, and we got the refund back. It was up there for 3,000 USD.
Mitchell Davis:And he said, right. Okay. Do you have any, like, evidence of that or anything? And I was like, no. Nothing beyond the receipt that we were able to try and purchase it at that price.
Mitchell Davis:He said, yeah. Okay. Because he's come back and said he wants $25.
Gavin Tye:US?
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. US. Yep. You know what?
Gavin Tye:He's probably got inquiries from that and then this now, and he's like, oh, there's a market for it.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's yeah. Anyway, so that is definitely beyond our budget for now.
Mitchell Davis:So we we're not interested at at that rate, but the the broker is still working on it. Their own tools seem to place it at like 3 and a half grand or something like that. So the broker thinks that this is way overvalued and and this guy's just being sentimental about it. Apparently, he's had it for a very long time and thinks he's really got something there. And, I mean, we do as well.
Mitchell Davis:We want the domain, right, but not for 25,000 US. It's No. That's nuts. So No. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:So so that's kind of put things in in a holding pattern for now. The broker is still working away at it. Like I mentioned last time, you get like this activity log of stuff that the the broker is doing. So I can see if I pull it up now, has there been any changes? No.
Mitchell Davis:Okay. So in the last four days, the broker sent another purchase offer over. But, yeah, it's not gonna be $25. That's for sure. So, look, for now, it's kind of it's on hold.
Mitchell Davis:We'll just see what happens. We may want to you and I have talked a little about maybe should we try and pivot to keeping the same name, Six Sides, but maybe pivoting towards other TLDs they're called, the like.coor Com or whatever, that type of thing. But for now, we are we're sticking with .co. So and that's your kind of the main driver behind that.
Gavin Tye:I think there's just other things for us to worry about. I think for another letter, like, people will come to the website, they'll bookmark it, or they'll know it, and it'll be fine. I I
Mitchell Davis:said Yeah.
Gavin Tye:I think we're we're okay. And then your the reasoning for having just one app to upload or to update is we're just gonna have one app now, so it's gonna be easier for that. I think it'll be okay, mate. So yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Yep. Yep.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Sorry. Didn't work out. I know it meant a lot to you, but I will buy you a letter m somewhere along the line and give it to you.
Mitchell Davis:Get me one like one of those neon ones to put in the background there.
Gavin Tye:Oh, yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Just the letter m. Yeah. There are people coming to my office. They'll be like, what the fuck are you doing? What's this
Gavin Tye:m? Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Anyway, that's alright. Yeah. Alright. What what to next?
Gavin Tye:K. So we're in week eleven. Right? As we've gone on, we're trying to keep this streamlined. Where are we with software?
Gavin Tye:What what software are you using on your side of the fence? And, has that changed a lot since week one? And then I can share what I'm doing on my side, what I'm using, and what I'm planning to do. Yeah. I think that that's it.
Gavin Tye:That's it. Because if without keeping control or conscious, being conscious of what we're doing, that can easily just go and grow. Right? So Yeah. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Where are you up to in your what you're using?
Mitchell Davis:Sure. So I'm using for development the services that I pay for PHP Storm, which is the editor of choice that I use. I have used that for many years now and love it. A recent addition has been Cursor which is another editor that we've talked about over the last couple weeks but that's an AI powered editor which has been very helpful so you can go back and listen to past episodes about that. What else am I using?
Mitchell Davis:That's largely it for development stuff. It's just those two, but it's then about like the other services that we're using to run this business. I'll put aside anything I'm doing for like Atlas or any of my other businesses. I'll just focus here on six sides. So stuff that we're paying for is like email.
Mitchell Davis:We use Google Workspace for that. We host all of our platforms on AWS, and we're looking probably can't talk about it this week, but maybe in the coming weeks can talk a bit a bit more about infrastructure because we are looking to make some changes there that will brilliant. Yep. It's interesting for some people, mate.
Gavin Tye:Interesting for some people. You just Imagine LaraCon AU in November, god.
Mitchell Davis:Imagine if every time you bought up something sales y, I was like, yeah. Boring. This sucks. Boo. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Imagine how you would feel.
Gavin Tye:Well, you do well, you don't say that, but you go, yeah. I'll do that, and then you don't. It's the same thing.
Mitchell Davis:Sometimes. Sometimes. Anyway, so, yeah, we are using AWS currently for everything that we do. So we're hosting databases and we use serverless functions, Lambda using Laravel Vapor for those in the know, and that's all going quite well, but it is expensive. All of the serverless choices is is expensive.
Mitchell Davis:So we're just looking at some ways to try and reduce that down, but we'll talk about that in the coming weeks. Yep. Beyond that, accounting is in Xero, which our free trial has actually run up. So now we've gotta start paying for that.
Gavin Tye:Sure.
Mitchell Davis:To host What would you
Gavin Tye:say the software costs on your side would be? We don't keep track we're not keeping track of that at moment.
Mitchell Davis:No. I think we we still gotta go through and square up and figure out like, what cost did we each incur before we started the bank account now have like a card that we can use to pay for stuff. We gotta go through that. I mean, that's probably gonna help tell us what we're actually spending money on.
Gavin Tye:Hang sorry. Hey. Can
Mitchell Davis:you say
Gavin Tye:hello to Mitch?
Mitchell Davis:Hello.
Gavin Tye:Alright. I'm doing a podcast, buddy, and people are
Mitchell Davis:gonna be listening to you.
Gavin Tye:So I'm gonna have to let you go. K? Give me a kiss.
Mitchell Davis:Did you have fun? No.
Gavin Tye:Yeah? Say hi, Mitch. Hi. Say bye, Mitch. Hi, Mitch.
Gavin Tye:Remember we had dinner
Mitchell Davis:with me
Gavin Tye:and Nicole? Yep. Alright. Sorry, mate. Hang on.
Mitchell Davis:No worries.
Gavin Tye:I should go, mate. I'm having a podcast. Livestream podcast.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Very cute. Yep.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Sorry, mate.
Mitchell Davis:No. No worries. Well, eventually, I'll get all of your family in as, like, guests on the podcast.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:At some point, I'll have to get Nicole in as well. Maybe we can get our dogs. I can record them barking or something.
Gavin Tye:We'll see. Absolutely. Yeah. So
Mitchell Davis:I don't know what that number is. I know our our hosting costs, like, $500 a month at the moment, which is insane when, you know, we've only run one event on the platform. So that's why we're really looking at, okay, what other options have we got? But beyond that, I don't know. It's probably maybe $200 a month or something like that that we're spending across everything else.
Mitchell Davis:Sure. Pretty lean at the moment. What about you?
Gavin Tye:So on on my side, I I use Apollo, which is a cold outreach platform, which is about maybe $30 a month. I actually don't know the cost. I I I can't remember. Yep. But then we're using Reloom to design the website and and collaborate.
Gavin Tye:And then so we think we can split that cost across our businesses right to Atlas and and also Sales Market Fit. Because once you design a marketing site, it doesn't really change that much for a while. Yeah. So we think we'll be able to share that cost across the businesses. The other one, I'm well, I'm I'm I'm using Lovable.
Gavin Tye:I'm trying to actually use AI and and because I'm not from your world. I'm trying to become more involved in it. So I'm using that as a training tool. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:It's been really impressive, the stuff you sent me through, honestly.
Gavin Tye:Oh, mate, I'm having trouble connecting, OpenAPI's, Whisper API to the platform, which is
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Okay.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yeah. Which is love to work through it. Yep. So and that's it.
Gavin Tye:Like, that's basically I try to keep it really lean. Like, we're using a free version of HubSpot, which we we don't have a lot of opportunities at the moment. We're not really going out to people for that. So it's that's really that's really it. So Yeah.
Gavin Tye:Sorry. He's just a job.
Mitchell Davis:We got two more visitors.
Gavin Tye:No. No. Just open the door, say goodbye, and shut the door again.
Mitchell Davis:That's Definitely going in the in the guest list for sure.
Gavin Tye:Oh, we we use Riverside for this, and then we probably use Transistor as well.
Mitchell Davis:Definitely use Transistor. Yeah. That's right. So we do use both. We looked at some other recording tools, but the editing story wasn't quite as good as Riverside.
Mitchell Davis:Like, I can get this we'll record for an hour. I can get it edited and and post it ready to go in about twenty minutes now. So very quick.
Gavin Tye:May maybe we can do that once a month here is just list our costs, like what we're using and if it changes because it's gonna change. It's gonna increase. Right?
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Maybe we'll list it if it changes. Once we kind of hit a steady state, I don't think it will change all that much. Yeah. But, yeah, for for sure, we can we can start listing it.
Gavin Tye:I think we'd probably start bringing in services. Right? Like, we've used the Upwork to do our some of our overview docs and all that kind of stuff. So yeah. Yeah.
Gavin Tye:But but I think we've gotta keep it lean because we're not going for volume. Right? We just wanna cover our costs for now. We're in a learning phase as well. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Right? And it's Well, I'm really excited, like, genuinely to share some more of what we're doing, but I just I don't have it ready yet. I've experimented with some different things. I showed you a little demo yesterday of something cool that we're doing that I think will really help cut costs. And Michael in the chat has said, get rid of the serverless nonsense.
Mitchell Davis:We just need a server. This kind of moves us a bit more in that direction, but we'll see. I will reveal more later if it pans out. Cool.
Gavin Tye:Well,
Mitchell Davis:Michael actually also called out way earlier before we got started recording that I'm rocking the old merch, which is true. So way early on, and this impressed me about working with you, you were like, mate, we gotta get some shirts. We gotta do something. You you got us some some jumpers as well, which was interesting because it was like midsummer when we got them. So we're I'm currently rocking the the event kit logo shirt, which I put together in November maybe, I think.
Mitchell Davis:And you got the shirts in, like, January. And I still I I still like them. I know it's not our our brand anymore. I guess it never was. But, yeah, it feels like a bit of a, like, insiders club thing for me, which which I think is a bit funny.
Mitchell Davis:I think you said you threw your ones out.
Gavin Tye:I sure mate, I'm a hoarder of T shirts. I've had to I don't had to cull some T shirts. I think I got rid of one. I've got a couple more. They're still there.
Gavin Tye:I've still got the jumper because I wear the jumper.
Mitchell Davis:Yep.
Gavin Tye:But I've gotta we do need to get some more shirts and some jumpers because I've got this big hairy audacious plan that I think I'm gonna need a jumper for Mhmm. Which we'll find out on Monday. Yeah. Well, we'll start that process on Monday. So I will start ordering some, some more shirts.
Gavin Tye:I won't go crazy. I won't put the .co on there because if it
Mitchell Davis:goes No. Gonna be Just say Google. Yeah. Google six sites. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:We don't know what our domain is yet, but yeah. That's No. No. It would be
Gavin Tye:.co. So, yeah, we'll start ordering some more shirts. I think once it becomes it's official, and then we'll just I'll just have a rack here depending on what I'm doing and what you're doing. You'd take your shirt off. Well, not at the moment.
Gavin Tye:Like, you just change your your clothes.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yeah. I'm with that's what I do here before I have a meeting. Like, if I come in and I'm just in a basic T shirt or whatever and I wanna look a little more presentable, I've got, like, some some plain black T shirts here that I'll just swap into before a call.
Gavin Tye:Yep. Yep. Fair
Mitchell Davis:enough. That's life. Cool. Cool. Well, we will get that sorted.
Mitchell Davis:I would like it might be an interesting strategy for us to send merch to customers as, like, an appreciation, you know, for them coming on board, especially while we're in this early part of our our journey. I've heard about people doing that before, and, I mean, Michael's here. Maybe we can send him something once we get some merch of our own sorted. Yeah. And then same for the the WA crew.
Gavin Tye:So
Mitchell Davis:So I do that with
Gavin Tye:with sales market fit when people become a client. Like, I'll I've got a, like, a it's a a water bottle, metal water bottle, bladder, but also a metal coffee cup or a wine glass depending on the time of day. So I give them that as well. So, yeah, that does it's a appreciation thing.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. It's a nice nice little gift. Yeah. Yep. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Cool. Okay. We'll sort that out. So I'm gonna move that topic over here. So we've got two other things on the list here.
Mitchell Davis:I know you wanted to keep this one a little shorter today. Yep. So you sent via email. I I talked about this earlier.
Gavin Tye:Jeremy another Gavin Ty in the world, just to let you know.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Oh, okay.
Gavin Tye:When I had another job one so when I in my early life, when I was early twenties, I used to work for a carpet cleaning company, and they sent me to this guy's house called Gavin Ty. And I went there, and they thought it was they thought I was putting in a hoax. And I met him. He lives in Brisbane. He was then a prison guard.
Gavin Tye:Then, yeah, it was like, wow, you're Gavin Ty.
Mitchell Davis:So no
Gavin Tye:relation. Just But so it could have
Mitchell Davis:been- When I was a bit younger, Yeah. I I I don't know why, but I went and searched on Facebook, and I found, like, eight other Mitchell Davises, and I just added them all. I thought it would be a bit of fun. And quite a few of them added me back. And then now every now and then, I'll just see, like, a random update from some other version of me out there in the world.
Mitchell Davis:It's been fun.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yeah. Fair enough. Okay. Well, look.
Mitchell Davis:You wanna get into what
Gavin Tye:Yep. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Sorry.
Gavin Tye:Oh, Michael just sent through there's another company to look at for some merch, which looks pretty cool. Have a look at it. Yep.
Mitchell Davis:Okay. Alright. Yeah. We'll suss them out.
Gavin Tye:Apparently, I haven't read this email, but apparently it was from a Gavin Ty talking about AI agents. I thought, well, that's an interesting topic. So I started investigating AI agents.
Mitchell Davis:Can you explain what that is?
Gavin Tye:Yeah. I don't to be honest, I'm still figuring that out. Right? I'm building an AI well, I'm calling it an AI agent in a thing called SalesBuddy, but essentially, I want it to be human assisted AI where it helps people do be like, learn and position their messaging better and and help them with clients and all that stuff. But that's what I'm doing with sales buddy.
Gavin Tye:But that's a conversation for another day. So what I wanted to investigate is how can we turn our productivity on? Well, you're you're increasing your productivity in development using Cursor. Yeah. I've been reluctant to use it in sales and marketing because I'm not beyond chat GPT when I train train a GPT and all that kind of stuff.
Gavin Tye:Doesn't it's of missing the mark a little bit, though it's getting better. And so I've been thinking about, can we build a business with AI agents where it can be just us and we have a series of these things doing tasks for us to multiply our output. And I've kinda gone down rabbit holes a little bit, and it's the wrong route. I'm getting stuck. I think I've got it.
Gavin Tye:I haven't figured out the intent of it. I saw something this week where a person has created an org chart and an org chart of AI agents. And then then he's building that out, and I think that that might be, the way to go. So I'm investigating that at the moment. What I'm looking at is you don't need all like, don't need 10 AI agents, but what do we need help within one thing?
Gavin Tye:And then maybe just focus on that and then building that out, then adding something else and just refine it, getting one thing working really well before we try to implement three or four things. So
Mitchell Davis:What what sort of things are you thinking about being able to use an agent for to help us with?
Gavin Tye:It's easy for me to talk to this in sales market fit because it's more established. Right?
Mitchell Davis:Sure.
Gavin Tye:So creating consistent mark or consistent content that resonates across different channels is a real challenge. So what I was thinking of there is I've got this white paper that talks about this philosophy of sales market fit, which is kinda like product market fit. And I was trying to build an AI agent to extract ideas out of the white paper to turn into content and do that. But I can do that now. Like, I can do that within ten minutes if I want to.
Gavin Tye:And I started going down that path and it wasn't really doing it wasn't really working. And I was like, okay. What would be, what what am I not doing there? Because AI produces so much stuff, then it's just written form by itself. I just think is there is, I reckon there's probably 10 to 20 x more content online now, but it's all AI driven and it's not really authentic authentically driven.
Gavin Tye:And so I started thinking about Gary V's Jab, Jab, Jab, Right Hook, I think it was. And he uses one piece of pillar content and then he breaks it out into all these other bits of content. And so I started thinking about, well, maybe that AI agent could do one piece of content. Well, we do one piece of content, and then we break that down into a few different smaller pieces of content. But that I'm thinking the video would be the video piece of pillar content because that can't be replicated by AI.
Gavin Tye:Right? It's hard to be replicated.
Mitchell Davis:Sure. Yeah. Break it
Gavin Tye:down into smaller ones, then maybe they break down into blog posts, Then maybe they break down into tweets. Maybe they break down into something. But if we could do one piece of pillar, one pillar piece of content, and it breaks down into 10 or 20 others and can post it because the posting's the hardest part, is the most time consuming part and and writing the that's maybe that's a good place to start. Right?
Mitchell Davis:Okay. Right. Yeah. Okay. So this is all specifically around content and marketing and not like automating any other processes within our business.
Mitchell Davis:Right? This is this is the first cab off the ring.
Gavin Tye:I think I think so. We gotta get our message out there. We're still refine we I think we're onto our value prop.
Mitchell Davis:Like, it
Gavin Tye:feels like that we we kinda know what our ideal client profile is and our ideal market segment. There's some stuff I've gotta do on my side. But I think the agent there like, let's not get too complicated. Like, that's where I that's what I was trying to be. I was trying to be too complicated, I think, the other day, and I got stuck.
Gavin Tye:So that's what I'm trying to think now. We have to amplify our message. At the moment, the majority of our time is taken in our other businesses. So we've got to try to do something different. Right?
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Yep. Well Yep. It it's interesting because Michael actually Michael Dorinda also cohosts North Meets South Web Audio podcast, Michael. I think I've got that.
Mitchell Davis:I'll leave a link because he was talking about this with his cohost Jake, and I was just listening to it this morning about feeding a video into one of these AI tools
Gavin Tye:K.
Mitchell Davis:And then it being able to generate blog posts and other articles, things like that from a video. And I thought that was really interesting. And just so it turns out, I think this applies to a bit to what you're talking about. So Yeah. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:I'll leave a link to that, and maybe I can send that over to you. Or if there's yeah. Here we go. Okay. Perfect.
Mitchell Davis:Thank you, Michael. So Michael's just sent through VideoTap.com. I'll put a link to that Yeah. In the show notes too. So that might be a tool that could help us out here.
Mitchell Davis:It's a small work.
Gavin Tye:So so what I what I did then is because I was trying to use AI to do something instead of figuring and then I thought, hang on a sec. Go back up. What's the process I wanna create then get AI to help to help achieve that as opposed to using AI to do create something, which is, I think, it felt like it was the wrong wrong way around. Right? So Yep.
Gavin Tye:That's where I'm kind of am at the moment. And I just think we need to be smart. We're moving into a world of AI. Anyone who's starting a business today, if they're not utilizing it to increase productivity and effectiveness and refine certain things, I don't think it'll do the fine 20%. We want it to, I think would be silly to be honest.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Mitchell Davis:Oh, I I agree. And you you have really opened my eyes to what's possible. So, props to you. I think your your strategy is working of human assisted.
Gavin Tye:Yep. Right?
Mitchell Davis:AI. That's what you're calling.
Gavin Tye:Anyone has yes. That's right. If anyone has any feedback or any or, like, on how to do this, please send us a email on journey at six sides, or you can reach out to us on Twitter. We've got a Twitter account, six sides, and also well, actually, it's a different name, a six sides app with events, I think.
Mitchell Davis:Six sides events. It it's in the show notes. I've already started including that.
Gavin Tye:I'd love to get some feedback on on on it as well.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Something else I'd like feedback on is I changed it up for episode 10, and I think moving forward, I changed up the intro music. We used to have this, like, sitar thing, and I was like, yeah. This is kinda cool, but it then just felt like a bit of a drop off from this super high energy, like, five seconds that then drop off into, hey. How's it going?
Mitchell Davis:So I've changed it up now. So, hopefully, you listen to that. Well, you will have heard it at the start of this episode. So let me know what you think. What did you think, Garrett?
Gavin Tye:It was good. Yeah. I listened to it a little bit the other day. It's feels kinda weird listening to your own thing, but, yeah, it was That's alright.
Mitchell Davis:Started doing that. I went back and listened to, like, some of our week three and four, which is now, like, two months ago. And, yeah, it's really interesting. Like, you were just recovering from the cyclone two months ago. Mhmm.
Mitchell Davis:And, yeah, we were talking about the Strategic Advisory Council and all of that stuff. It's like, it's really cool to see how we continue to evolve. So I might try and do that. Maybe I'll stay, like I'll listen each week. I'll listen to whatever we were doing two months ago.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Might be interesting. Yep. Cool. Cool.
Mitchell Davis:Alright, mate. That's it. Someone asked to. Yeah. Cool.
Mitchell Davis:Well, did you wanna get into anything else?
Gavin Tye:No. No. What what what's what are you working on next week, mate?
Mitchell Davis:So we I'm back to working on the mobile app now, which is awesome. Marketing site has been fun, but I I mentioned to you yesterday we spoke on the phone and I just said like I'm it's taking a lot of my time doing the marketing side. And it feels like a bit of a a black hole that you can just, like, keep working away on this thing and never I can never be a % happy with it that it's fully covered everything that I wanted it to do. Yep. And finding, like, photos or updating content and just tweaking it, it's like it's a never ending story.
Mitchell Davis:So instead, I'm gonna now pivot and work on the mobile app for the next week or so. Maybe then I'll tie in a little bit of the marketing website in between now and then, but, yeah, largely just focus on the mobile app. And, yeah, we keep we keep that moving forward. I was reminded that we had made a a promise, a commitment to our WA client that we would have a version of the mobile app ready for them in June. So excuse me.
Mitchell Davis:So that's a a large driver now to to really make sure that everything is there. So, yeah, you you're right to call that out with me yesterday when when we were speaking with them. So, yeah, just gotta make sure we're getting all that sorted beyond that. Just waiting to hear on the Com.
Gavin Tye:That's it. That's how
Mitchell Davis:Won't be holding my breath.
Gavin Tye:They they yeah. That's right. It's I think it's safe to say they were really impressed. I could see Holly, she said, you should see all the page of notes that I had of how we could use this to drive engagement and all this other stuff. We're even thinking about, which might be something for you to consider, Michael, an artistic photo competition and then have people vote on it so they can get marketing content for next year at no cost.
Gavin Tye:Which may which is a question of, I wonder if we could you could utilize the filtering and the editing skills on the photos in a in a Google or the on a iPhone straight out of the app. Right? Because you can put filters and stuff on it. So Yeah. That's true.
Gavin Tye:Yeah. Yeah. So, anyway Yeah. Mate, yeah, I'm working on for me next week is just refining this lead gen, figuring out exploring this opportunity next week, which would be, I'm really excited about, for for many different reasons.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah.
Gavin Tye:But where which could help us get our name out there and, and also support a very important cause here in Australia. Yeah. Lots of fun things.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Well, hopefully, we can talk more on that later. Alright, mate. Well, I guess we'll we'll wrap it up there. So if you would like to if you would be so kind as to leave us a rating and a review, we would love to read that out next week.
Mitchell Davis:Send us an email, [email protected]. Let us know what you think of the show. And, Gavin, where can people find you?
Gavin Tye:On LinkedIn is the easiest place. Gavin Ty, t y e. Find me on LinkedIn, or you can reply to [email protected], and, yeah, get that email as well.
Mitchell Davis:Yeah. Awesome. And I'm Mitch Dav on basically everything. Links to everything in the show notes. Thank you, Michael, for being our first live viewer.
Gavin Tye:Hanging out the whole time. I thought you would've jumped off. I would've ages ago.
Mitchell Davis:Five minutes. Yeah. These guys are idiots. I don't know what they're doing, But that's alright. Thank you for persevering, and we will catch you all next time.
Gavin Tye:Alright.
